House approves back pay for federal workers

[kcchiefs6465]

6. No, you don't tell these workers to "get a job". Imagine going up to a business and saying, "Hey, can you hire me for the remainder of the government shutdown"? There is no way in hell they will be hired.

I wasn't referring to them getting a job for three days to supplement their lack of welfare. I was saying that they should get real goddamn jobs actually producing something... you know, for the foreseeable future; not until Daddy approves more funds for them. Or they shouldn't. Whatever; that would be up to them. I do know that they shouldn't be paid through the destruction of a currency or the theft of hardworking people's fruits of labor.

You can spout the useful services they provide all day long but I'll tell you this, I haven't even noticed they've been gone. Let them stay wherever the hell they went and let me not hear another word about it and that would be just great. Yes, their useful service of permitting people to look at natural monuments. Because, you know, no one could visit the Grand Canyon without federal employees stamping hands and giving tours.

My sympathies are draining as this thread moves on. They are off for a week. Boo the fuck hoo. I'd hate to see the day an actual change of status quo is projected. The horror of freedom.

25,000,000 government employees. And I'm the radical who wishes people actually produce or provide a service without being subsidized by the people who do?

Paying one seventh of the workforce through the theft of the rest is about as radical an idea as I could imagine.

They're big boys and girls. Send them home and let them decide for themselves what they wish to do.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

What's amazing are the charges of contractors, seems to always be over inflated. A contractor receiving $25/hr, the corporation is billing the US government $250/hr. Of course the contractor has to justify, which they do to government by showing costs of management, buildings, utilities, travel, HealthCare, Boondoggle conferences, resort meetings, executive housing, private jets, Insurances, etc... what isn't told to government(who knows anyway) and more so the US taxpayers, are all those expenses to justify the $250/hr are written-off by Corporate welfare/tax code - Lobbyist/Campaign donations of corporations/defense contractors.

Then there's the memos to design a new $200M fighter jet, must include parts & processes in as many states as possible so that makes it harder to kill the contracts with so many Congress critters effected by contracts in their districts. It's been done over and over and over with big contracts. Of course they'll also get media to exploit the propaganda to the apathetic/clueless taxpayers.

Here's a great example of the U.S. Army doesn't want anymore M1 Abrams tanks... surprisingly, CNN covered this, and you witness first hand how government graft is complicit in the racket that manifests upon itself and the poor taxpayers/Americans are on the hook for more; Taxes/Inflation, Lower standard of living/Less Freedom-Liberty.

Army to Congress: Thanks, but No Tanks

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/

What you technically label those building the submarine is nothing short of semantics. The government, against the wishes of the Navy in some instances, approves of another round of contracts aimed at simply keeping people in key Congressional districts with jobs. It is nothing short of corporate, tax funded, (inflationary or otherwise) welfare. I understand that this isn't some big triumph to be paraded around but to be clear, the reason things people like are attacked first is to discourage Americans to ever consider stopping a dime of the gravy train. The truly worthless or even detrimental no doubt are still "working." Of course, they'll target WIC and National Parks as a means to get Americans back in line and to dissuade any future thoughts or realizations that this bloated, overbearing, corporatacracy is not needed.

 

[phill4paul]

Actually the more I look at this picture the more I see the symbology. The workers symbolize the government. The shovels being held up by the workers (government) are the welfare recipients. The little shovel standing on it's own symbolizes people like us. And it show the grand scale of what we are up against.

 

[tod evans]

6. No, you don't tell these workers to "get a job".

As a self employed person who carries at least two of these worthless bags of shit, YES! I am entitled to say "get a job"...

Sucking the tax-tit is by no means gainful employment. It is service sector employment just like McDonalds only it pays a hell of a lot better and provides less.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

What's amazing are the charges of contractors, seems to always be over inflated. A contractor receiving $25/hr, the corporation is billing the US government $250/hr. Of course the contractor has to justify, which they do to government by showing costs of management, buildings, utilities, travel, HealthCare, Boondoggle conferences, resort meetings, executive housing, private jets, Insurances, etc... what isn't told to government(who knows anyway) and more so the US taxpayers, are all those expenses to justify the $250/hr are written-off by Corporate welfare/tax code - Lobbyist/Campaign donations of corporations/defense contractors.

Then there's the memos to design a new $200 fighter jet must include parts & processes in as many states as possible so that makes it harder to kill the contracts with so many Congress critters effected by contracts in their districts. It's been done over and over and over with big contracts. Of course they'll also get media to exploit the propaganda to the apathetic/clueless taxpayers.

Here's a great example of the U.S. Army doesn't want anymore M1 Abrams tanks... surprisingly, CNN covered this, and you witness first hand how government graft is complicit in the racket that manifests upon itself and the poor taxpayers/Americans are on the hook for more; Taxes/Inflation, Lower standard of living/Less Freedom-Liberty.

Yes, sir.

Same with the B-2 bomber or the V-22 Osprey that the Air Force didn't want or the Seawolf submarines the Navy didn't want.

Somehow I am considered heartless (not here, but when speaking to people) for suggesting the people who are paid some $50+ an hour to build these worthless machines of death and destruction not be funded through corporate subsidies and stolen loot. "Think about their families", I'm told. Hardly justifiable to pay enormously inflated costs to build weapons of destruction we do not need and which are not wanted to destroy countries half-way around the world, making us less safe, only to grant KBR, et al. contracts to rebuild what was needlessly destroyed.

Truth be told I feel worse for the bombed peasants drinking depleted uranium contaminated water than I would for those making their lucrative pay through such a detrimental policy losing their jobs.

No matter what they continue to be built. It is no shocker when you look at the Congressional districts these welfare handouts are directed to.

 

[MelissaWV]

I am just going to leave this here as a placeholder for myself.

I don't think what I mean to say, and what I am actually typing, are lining up. I have a nasty migraine and it's possible that I am jumbling things up badly on this one, so I am going to bow out, and hope to the Almighty that I don't have to hand out apologies later.

:o

 

[silverhandorder]

Ideally we want no government. However you don't win friends by suddenly cutting off federal workers, even if it is only temporary. I would not look favorably on a private company if they were to do this. There needs to be a warning and a damn good reason if a warning did not come. But since the federal workers are getting paid, they should ideally go back to work. Unless there is more costs then payroll.

 

[Dr.3D]

4. These people are not going to file for unemployment because then they would have to quit their job, which would be insanely stupid. Plus, putting people on unemployment means they are being paid by the government for doing nothing whatsoever.

When GM workers are laid off, they go on unemployment till they either get a new job or they are called back by GM. Of course nobody is going to hire a laid off GM worker because they should know he is going to go back to work with GM and they would lose their new employee anyway. Once this fact is understood, the part you mentioned about them having to quit their job is ridiculous. My mother was a teacher and she went on unemployment every summer, till she went back to work in the fall. She didn't have to quit her job.

Right now, with those people not working and still getting back pay it's just the same as them being paid by the government for doing nothing whatsoever except they have to wait for the back pay rather than being paid every two weeks like they would with unemployment.

 

[TaftFan]

When GM workers are laid off, they go on unemployment till they either get a new job or they are called back by GM. Of course nobody is going to hire a laid off GM worker because they should know he is going to go back to work with GM and they would lose their new employee anyway. Once this fact is understood, the part you mentioned about them having to quit their job is ridiculous. My mother was a teacher and she went on unemployment every summer, till she went back to work in the fall. She didn't have to quit her job.

Right now, with those people not working and still getting back pay it's just the same as them being paid by the government for doing nothing whatsoever except they have to wait for the back pay rather than being paid every two weeks like they would with unemployment.

There is a difference between a furlough and getting laid off.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

 

[madengr]

Let em go on unemployment like everybody else does when they get laid off.

They will, and get paid for the time off.

 

[madengr]

WTF? Is there anyone not obese in that photo?

 

[tod evans]

Is there anyone not obese in that photo?

Have a heart man!

If those fine folks had to go work at McDoodles they'd cost the franchise business..

 

[phill4paul]

WTF? Is there anyone not obese in that photo?

A distended abdomen is a sign of starvation. Oh, the humanity. And right here in Amerika!

 

[69360]

They should have all been ordered back to work when the back pay bill passed.

 

[madengr]

A distended abdomen is a sign of starvation. Oh, the humanity. And right here in Amerika!

I'll volunteer you for belly button inspections. Convex is truly distended, deeply concave for lard-o government union worker. I know I should not stereotype, but it's kind of hard not too.

That one in front has a nice white poster that screams for photoshopping. Something about Obamacare would be good.

 

[Danke]

4. These people are not going to file for unemployment because then they would have to quit their job, which would be insanely stupid.

No, unless you have a really good reason, (like employer abuse, loss of childcare, etc.) you can't quit and collect unemployment. If you are furloughed you can.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

There needs to be a warning and a damn good reason if a warning did not come.

How was this not a "warning":

They've been warned for 224 years, since 1789:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives....

However you don't win friends by suddenly cutting off federal workers, even if it is only temporary.

Trying to win the friendship of government employees is your trip, not mine.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Somehow I am considered heartless (not here, but when speaking to people) for suggesting the people who are paid some $50+ an hour to build these worthless machines of death and destruction not be funded through corporate subsidies and stolen loot. "Think about their families", I'm told.

You're told that by heartless (or maybe just myopic) people not thinking about the families that are harmed by welfare (including welfare disguised as government employment). Here's welfare in a nutshell:

Welfare's intent:

Nothing could be more harmful to the children of future generations.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Punishing the little guys who work for them is non-profitable in many ways.

They had no natural right to these job in the first place, so why do you call furlough "punishment"?