Hotair: Rand Paul differentiates foreign policy from his father’s brand

sailingaway said:
The R3VOLution ongoing doesn't require absolute victory in 2016, and if none of the candidates would offer that, it won't be possible. WHat it requires, imho, is bringing more and more people into the R3VOLution proper that ultimately victory of our principles is inevitable. My vote in 2016, which will be as good as I can make it, according to my lights, at that time, doesn't say whether the Ron Paul R3VOLution has been coopted. It is only if I am deluded into believing less than good is good enough that I stop fighting for more, that it has been coopted.
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okay, I guess I'm explaining it wrong. I am not saying YOU will be co-opted personally SA. I'm saying they would use our message to get votes and continue down the same path they are currently on. And when i say "they", I mean the establishment in general.
 
pcosmar said:
He said.
"an attack on Israel is an attack of the US"

Fuck that, and him.

That is Traitorous.
Israel is instigating shit all on their own and should have been cut off long ago.
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NO ONE IS GOING TO ATTACK IRAN!!

And he has said numerous times that the goal is to end ALL FOREIGN AID.

You just want him to say it the way that you want it said. That's all.
 
sailingaway said:
I would seriously rather have someone I could trust to do what they said they would.
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politicians never do what they say.

However I do have a belief Rand is incorruptible and has a consistent philosophy that he would apply if he ever was president some day.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Before he could do that, he would have to make sure he fully explained how our nation would still be defended without some of the bases we have now. Back when, we needed some of those for refueling purposes, to name one thing. Ron didn't do this and it hurt him badly. Things like this and tossing out quips like getting rid of the CIA, without further explanation came back to bite Ron in the ass.

I hope to God that Rand does not repeat Ron's mistakes, or his chances of turning any of the crap back via government will be sunk.
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So true. So sadly true. Ron sadly painted himself as very ignorant on national defense.
 
Damn, guys. You expect Rand to have done every damn thing in the world. Ron damn sure didn't. Not in just a couple of years, he didn't, and those things he proposed, FAILED BIG TIME.

Give him a frickin' chance, will ya, before stabbing him in the back.
 
twomp said:
okay, I guess I'm explaining it wrong. I am not saying YOU will be co-opted personally SA. I'm saying they would use our message to get votes and continue down the same path they are currently on. And when i say "they", I mean the establishment in general.
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I am absolutely certain they will try to do that. They tried this last time. Gingrich against the FEd? Perry? Romney -sorta? Glen Beck with a 'Libertarian News Network'?

I think you can count on it.

Don't get attached to labels, would be my advice - to myself at minimum.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
I agree. He should outline a specific policy that shows that he supports a strong national defense. We could close down foreign military bases overseas and build them along the Mexico border, for example. But, no one is ever going to convince me that foreign military bases have anything to do with legitimate defense.
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In any logical budget calculation those foreign bases would be closed down and I forsee them having to close sooner or later with or without Rand Paul as commander in chief.

Like Ron Paul says himself, empires always die because of financial problems associated with expansionary policies see British empire for the last example in history.
 
I wish the AF / Ron Paul guy wouldn't argue with them and let them enjoy and celebrate their new found love for Rand Paul.
 
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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LibertyEagle said:
NO ONE IS GOING TO ATTACK IRAN!!

And he has said numerous times that the goal is to end ALL FOREIGN AID.

You just want him to say it the way that you want it said. That's all.
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I said nothing about Iran.

He said an attack on Israel is an attack on the US.

WRONG> An attack on Israel is an attack on Israel,, and is none of our business.

Israel WILL BE Attacked. They are insuring that.

The Bible (many prophets) have said that. The Anti-Christ will rule from Jerusalem.
And Christians are putting him in power there by their ignorance. (they should be hindering/delaying it).
Following false teachers,, they are being misled and used.

Iran will likely be the the start of the cataclysm. But the entire region will be involved.

I can not support anyone that backs the Zionist agenda.
 
LOL its the entire Hot Air crowd vs. AF on there. Go AF! My money is on you!
 
BSWPaulsen said:
Ugh. This is the last thing I wanted to see from our '16 hope.

Treating Israel as a surrogate state of the USA only serves to further compound our regional problems. Stupid.
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The problem is, is that Israel is our surrogate state. And nobody, especially from the right, who doesn't acknowledge this, is going to get nominated. At some point, a political movement needs people in office in order to be successful.

I've been putting a lot of thought into foreign policy, and I've come to the conclusion that whoever is elected President, is not working in a vacuum here.

In order for a libertarian foreign policy in this country to be politically feasible, Iran must stop with the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) suggestions that Israel drop off the face of the Earth, or at the very least move to Europe. That is not going to happen without an event that reminds people of
A. World War III.
or
B. The Holocaust

Yes there are lots of factors which lead to Iran's current state which can be blamed on the US, but the fact remains, that Iran is state ruled by religious fundamentalism.

I guess in summary, IF (big if) Iran see's a Ron Paul style foreign policy as an open invitation to try and remove Israel, then that decision will relegate President Paul to a place in history alongside John Tyler, and it would be the end of the liberty movement as we know it.
 
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pcosmar said:
I said nothing about Iran.

He said an attack on Israel is an attack on the US.

WRONG> An attack on Israel is an attack on Israel,, and is none of our business.

Israel WILL BE Attacked. They are insuring that.

The Bible (many prophets) have said that. The Anti-Christ will rule from Jerusalem.
And Christians are putting him in power there by their ignorance. (they should be hindering/delaying it).
Following false teachers,, they are being misled and used.

Iran will likely be the the start of the cataclysm. But the entire region will be involved.

I can not support anyone that backs the Zionist agenda.
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I dont think Israel are ensuring they will be attacked.

Israel has a certain amount of self-interest in not being attacked, like seeing Jewish people killed and their economy wrecked.

They might sound belligerent at times but I bet you they'd do everything to avoid confrontation.
 
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