Gary Johnson HOT: Gary Johnson Interview with Robert Wenzel - Just How Libertarian is Gary Johnson?

rockandrollsouls, the first time you called me a smartass, I ignored it, yesterday you called me a jackass. Today, I retaliate. You are a dumbass.

Gary Johnson is a prison building, tax increasing, libertarian. That is an oxymoron. Libertarians are against putting people in prison except for assault. Libertarians are against counterfeiters printing money and controlling society.

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Restrict Federal Reserve policy to maintaining price stability, not bailing out financial firms or propping up the housing sector.

That is the opposite of sound money principles.
 
Yet you can't show me a shred of evidence that states he is against sound money or non-intervention.

He's always upheld his oath and followed the law of the land.

I'm still waiting for SOMEONE to show me some evidence. This must be my 20th request.

Do the research about this fraud yourself, it's obvious you are ignorant of his actual positions.
 
There's no evidence. I can show you all the times he cut taxes, balanced the budget, all of the bills he's vetoed. You can't show me one shoddy piece of legislation he signed into law. I'm STILL waiting.

Do the research about this fraud yourself, it's obvious you are ignorant of his actual positions.
 
I feel sorry for rockandrollsouls, he is very easily duped.

He is free to start a GaryJohnsonForums, but I would recommend he take his garbage elsewhere. I have seen videos in the past with GJ showing utter cluelessness on monetary policy and bad foreign policy.
 
So, because he wants to begin by limiting the Fed, that means he wants to sustain the fed? Does that mean Ron's bill that proposes simply an audit suddenly mean he doesn't want to end the fed?

You might not understand this because you're a blind idiot, but one step in the right direction, or many steps in the right direction, doesn't mean GJ doesn't advocate abolishing the Fed. As I've stated, his latest ad is about living free of the fed. However, you have to start somewhere.

Show me how it's possible to fully shut down the fed on day one. Ron Paul himself has conceded it's not possible. You HAVE to start somewhere, and that doesn't mean GJ is in favor of the fed.

I'll take it ANOTHER step further. Rand and Amash must be in support of the fed as well. Neither has introduced legislation to abolish the fed. Actually, Rand's never even talked about ending it, just making it transparent. GASP!

Show me one piece of legislation Ron has proposed about limiting the Fed that actually made it as far as his lesser and most recent step to audit the fed. That's right, you can't. You have to start SOMEWHERE. GJ realized this, and Ron Paul just realized this, albeit too late. It would have been nice if he had an audit the fed bill earlier in his long congressional career.

Using your flawed logic, we might as well go on Ron Paul's site and claim he's in support of the fed, more so than GJ! All his issues page calls for is auditing the fed, not even restricting their power. Therefore, Ron must be in support of the fed, right? :Rolleyes:

Again, to reiterate the holes in your argument.
1. Show me where GJ has authorized a tax increase. (you still haven't provided evidence, yet make the claim)
2. Show me all of the non-violent drug offenders that engaged in the process for a pardon. Further, show me the majority of New Mexico's prison population is non-violent drug offenders. Finally, tell me what you would have done to address the the expenditure on the judicial system. Would you have paid other states to house your prisoners or saved the taxpayers money by doing it in state. Let me remind you, as governor you DO NOT have the authority to wave a wand and set 50% of the prison population free. There is an application process for pardons, so I'd REALLY like to know what you feel is the "libertarian" way to address that problem. I want to know exactly what portion of the population was pardonable, who applied for the pardon, if Gary Johnson DENIED any individual's request for a pardon.

Hell, ignore everything else but the number 2 section of my post. I want to hear how a "die hard" libertarian would handle that situation. Just remember, you can't rewrite the law. Let's hear it. You can chime in or anyone else can.



rockandrollsouls, the first time you called me a smartass, I ignored it, yesterday you called me a jackass. Today, I retaliate. You are a dumbass.

Gary Johnson is a prison building, tax increasing, libertarian. That is an oxymoron. Libertarians are against putting people in prison except for assault. Libertarians are against counterfeiters printing money and controlling society.

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That is the opposite of sound money principles.
 
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"I saw a leprechaun." Still waiting for evidence. PS, kudos for ignoring the bulk of my prior post. The best way to respond to credible criticism of your reasoning is to simply avoid it. Ha.

I feel sorry for rockandrollsouls, he is very easily duped.

He is free to start a GaryJohnsonForums, but I would recommend he take his garbage elsewhere. I have seen videos in the past with GJ showing utter cluelessness on monetary policy and bad foreign policy.
 
As Governor I would tell all nonviolent prisoners to apply for a pardon. If their crimes were indeed nonviolent, then I would award them their freedom. As Governor I would start an educational program to legalize hemp without taxation. All hemp. I would promote it on TV, Radio, and the newspapers. Hemp is God's gift to humankind.

I would NOT say:
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By managing marijuana like alcohol and tobacco – regulating, taxing and enforcing its lawful use – America will be better off. The billions saved on marijuana interdiction, along with the billions captured as legal revenue, can be redirected against the individuals committing real crimes against society.
It does not need to be taxed.
 
So you would spend taxpayer dollars to implement an educational program? Doesn't matter if it's hemp or condoms...you'd spend taxpayer dollars on a program? Doesn't sound very libertarian. I remind you GJ called for an end to the drug war during his term. It was the responsibility of the legislature to put the legislation forward.

You do realize, GJ did not deny a pardon for a non-violent drug offender, correct? Don't libertarians believe in personal responsibility? Isn't it the individual's responsibility to apply for the pardon? GJ can't make them.

Finally, Ron, as well as other Austrians have preferred a tax on consumption rather than income. That is what GJ advocates in this case. I will remind you here that GJ never authorized an increase on the cigarette tax. There was legislation that crossed his desk that authorized tax cuts at the expense of raising the cigarette tax. Guess what GJ did? Signed the tax cut into law and line item vetoed the cigarette tax hike. Anyway, my point is if you're implying GJ favors high taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, or recreational drugs, the number of times he's vetoed tax hikes on such things show you wrong in here.

As Governor I would tell all nonviolent prisoners to apply for a pardon. If their crimes were indeed nonviolent, then I would award them their freedom. As Governor I would start an educational program to legalize hemp without taxation. All hemp. I would promote it on TV, Radio, and the newspapers. Hemp is God's gift to humankind.

I would NOT say:
It does not need to be taxed.
 
Gary Johnson will go down in the history books as a Governor of New Mexico who built two new prisons, privatized 1/2 of New Mexico's state prisons, and increased taxes on the citizens of New Mexico. Those are undeniable facts. It is a miserable record.

Do you wish that on all Americans? If so, then vote Barack Obama, Gary Johnson, or Mitt Romney. Their records prove that they are all in the same boat. If not, then vote Ron Paul. Ron Paul will seek and pardon nonviolent offenders without making excuses. Ron Paul will start an educational campaign to End The Fed. He already has. Campaign For Liberty is a great informational program. Ron Paul will implement honest sound monetary policy and U.S. Constitutional rule of law. Heck he may even go as far as seeking an amendment to the Constitution to include separation of government and money. Who Knows?

Where does Gary stand on separation of money and government? Does Gary really believe in liberty, peace, and prosperity? Separation of money and government will deliver it. Has he written a book on it?
 
Again, please provide evidence of your claims. You've already ignored my previous post because it's obvious you can't respond to it, so you're back to making baseless claims.

1. Gary Johnson has NEVER signed a tax increase into law. I'm still waiting for you to show me that magical piece of evidence that proves otherwise. You haven't.
2. Again, Gary Johnson had no magical way to reduce the prison population. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how it could have been addressed and reduced. (You won't find a way to bypass the judicial system, btw) So now you have the option of paying another state to house your prisoners or housing them in state and for less. You consistently imply there was another solution yet haven't revealed it. Still waiting for this as well.
3. Where is it illegal to privatize a prison, and where is your evidence it's detrimental?

Where is your evidence for any of your claims?

Gary Johnson will go down in the history books as a Governor of New Mexico who built two new prisons, privatized 1/2 of New Mexico's state prisons, and increased taxes on the citizens of New Mexico. Those are undeniable facts. It is a miserable record.

Do you wish that on all Americans? If so, then vote Barack Obama, Gary Johnson, or Mitt Romney. Their records prove that they are all in the same boat. If not, then vote Ron Paul. Ron Paul will seek and pardon nonviolent offenders without making excuses. Ron Paul will start an educational campaign to End The Fed. He already has. Campaign For Liberty is a great informational program. Ron Paul will implement honest sound monetary policy and U.S. Constitutional rule of law. Heck he may even go as far as seeking an amendment to the Constitution to include separation of government and money. Who Knows?

Where does Gary stand on separation of money and government? Does Gary really believe in liberty, peace, and prosperity? Separation of money and government will deliver it. Has he written a book on it?
 
Again, please provide evidence of your claims. You've already ignored my previous post because it's obvious you can't respond to it, so you're back to making baseless claims.

1. Gary Johnson has NEVER signed a tax increase into law. I'm still waiting for you to show me that magical piece of evidence that proves otherwise. You haven't.
2. Again, Gary Johnson had no magical way to reduce the prison population. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how it could have been addressed and reduced. (You won't find a way to bypass the judicial system, btw) So now you have the option of paying another state to house your prisoners or housing them in state and for less. You consistently imply there was another solution yet haven't revealed it. Still waiting for this as well.
3. Where is it illegal to privatize a prison, and where is your evidence it's detrimental?

Where is your evidence for any of your claims?

  1. It's great that Gary got rid of the taxes in New Mexico. It is too bad that it didn't last past his administration. Dang. http://www.tax.newmexico.gov/All-Taxes/Pages/Home.aspx That is not his fault.
    All Taxes
    Please find the Tax Section that applies to you below.
    Severance Taxes
    Conservation Tax
    Natural Gas Processors Tax
    Oil and Gas Production Taxes
    Copper Ad Valorem Tax
    Resources Excise Tax
    Severance Tax
    Motor Vehicle-Related Taxes and Fees
    Boat Excise Tax
    Caravan Tax
    Leased Vehicle Gross Receipts Tax
    Leased Vehicle Surcharge
    Motor Vehicle Excise Tax
    Motor Vehicle Permits and Fees
    Trip Tax
    Weight Distance Tax
    Income-Related Taxes and Fees
    Corporate Income and Franchise Tax
    Estate Tax
    Fiduciary Income Tax for Trusts and Estates
    Oil and Gas Proceeds Withholding Tax
    Pass-Through Entity
    Personal Income Tax
    Wage Withholding Tax
    Workers Compensation Fee
    Employer Taxes and Fees
    Wage Withholding Tax
    Workers' Compensation Fee
    Gaming Related Taxes and Fees
    Bingo and Raffle Tax
    Gaming Taxes
    Property-Related Taxes and Fees
    Property Tax
    Railroad Car Company Tax
    Solar Energy Improvement Special Assessment
    Telecommunication Surcharges
    911 Emergency Surcharge
    Interstate Telecommunication Gross Receipts
    Telecommunication Relay Service Surcharge
    Liquor and Tobacco Taxes and Fees
    Cigarette Tax
    Liquor Excise Tax
    Local Liquor Excise Tax
    Tobacco Products Tax
    General Excise/Sales Taxes
    Compensating Tax
    Gross Receipts Tax (including local options)
    Governmental Gross Receipts Tax
    Fuel Taxes and Fees
    Alternative Fuel Tax
    Gasoline Tax
    Petroleum Products Loading Fee
    Special Fuels Supplier Tax
    Other Surcharges and Fees
    Municipal Event Center Surcharge
    Water Conservation Fee
  2. Do you know what pardon means? Pardon
    "The governor granted him a pardon."
  3. Private prisons influencing elections is problematic for liberty lovers ... No? "Prison firms donate thousands to Richardson"
    Private Prison Corporation's job is to make money for their investors. The more prisoners they house... the more money their CEO can take home as a Christmas Bonus... No? Save the taxpayers millions and pass it among friends... Yes?
 
This thread is a good example of why socialists always kick the libertarian's ass when it comes to actually getting their ideas implemented. They don't pride themselves on perfection, they simply want to keep pulling things in their direction regardless of the pace it's done at.

We get to argue over philosophical purity and litmus tests. Good times.
 
Yeah I was gonna say, but I wasn't too sure where he stands considering his contradictory remarks on this. He claims to be against the war on drugs but still not for a decriminalization for all drugs except mj.

Gotta start somewhere, eh?

In my experience, MANY MANY MANY more people are okey-dokey with decriminalization of marijuana than can even BEGIN to wrap their minds around decriminalization of ALL-including-much-HARDER drugs.

EXCLUDING VIOLENCE & MAYHEM EXCITED BY THE MONEY-PIT WAR ON DRUGS, marijuana is less deleterious than alcohol. The same cannot be said of, say, CRACK COCAINE.



But he really isn't pro-marijuana freedom either, cuz he wants it to be taxed and regulated.

In my experience, MANY MANY MANY more people are okey-dokey with decriminalization of marijuana than are "pro marijuana". MANY MANY MANY rational people (including drug-reliant Seniors) see its criminality as UNJUST & HYPOCRITICAL, in view of alcohol's legality, prevalence and harmfulness.

He WANTS it to be taxed and regulated? Or he-and-most-people would tax and regulate it comparably to alcohol and for the same reasons: REVENUE number one, and kinda-sorta Public Safety as a distant second.

DECRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA = IMMEDIATE REVENUE + IMMEDIATE SAVINGS + IMMEDIATE JUSTICE = WIN + WIN + WIN.

Let "blame" for the inevitable fall on neither Establishment Party, rather, on those not-to-be-taken-seriously Libertarian upstarts.
 
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Finally, Ron, as well as other Austrians have preferred a tax on consumption rather than income. That is what GJ advocates in this case.

Ron Paul has said that he would sign the Fair tax because it is better than what we have now, but he doesn't push for it because he obviously prefers the no tax. He often says "abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with nothing.” He is notably not a co-sponsor of the Fair tax bill. A lot of people on here think Paul favors an import tax, but all he really ever says about it is that was how government was funded before the income tax and Paul has explicitly rejected high tariffs by calling for free trade. Ron Paul has never explicitly favored any tax.

Peter Schiff has said he likes the Fair tax, but not at revenue neutral levels, which is how it is presently designed. (Side note: Peter Schiff's book "How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes" has been cited on several Austrian economic blogs as "the best introduction to economics in print". Claiming he is neither an economist nor an Austrian scholar is bunk.)

Murray Rothbard opposed a national sales tax saying "The consumption tax... can only be regarded as a payment for permission-to-live."

Walter Block said "A mandatory sales tax makes the government a middle man in all retail transactions, and allows them to claim ownership of property that they did not justly acquire."

Very few Austrians support a national sales tax, and none that I can think of want it revenue neutral. Gary Johnson's support for the Fair tax is my biggest disagreement with him. It's not a big enough disagreement to prevent me from campaigning for him just as Peter Schiff's support for it wasn't enough to stop me from campaigning for him.

Attacking 3rd parties like Paul and Schiff is not going to help the Johnson campaign on this forum. You're hurting your own cause.

The 1972 Libertarian Party platform said that as a long term goal "we support the eventual repeal of all taxation. We support a system of voluntary fees for services rendered as a method for financing government in a free society." That is the Libertarian position on taxes, not a national sales tax.
 
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This thread is a good example of why socialists always kick the libertarian's ass when it comes to actually getting their ideas implemented. They don't pride themselves on perfection, they simply want to keep pulling things in their direction regardless of the pace it's done at.

We get to argue over philosophical purity and litmus tests. Good times.

Your analysis is dead wrong. The socialists get their garbage implemented because those ideas are handy for the regime. Supporting an intellectual lightweight like Johnson just cuz he's kinda libertarian is idiotic.
 
Libertarianism is determined by how many Libertarian books you have read? Really?

How about a Christian who has never read the Bible? You have to know what you're talking about, and just as importantly why it is the best choice. If your understanding of the ideas and principles of what you believe is shallow then you in turn will not act according to what you believe.
 
...The socialists get their garbage implemented because those ideas are handy for the regime...

THE EXACT SAME THING is true of Fascists and THEIR garbage. Flip sides of the coin, flip sides of the coin.

Big Control to enjoin Big Do Goodery, which further enriches Big Money=Power.



Supporting an intellectual lightweight like Johnson just cuz he's kinda libertarian is idiotic.

The man built up one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico out of his entrepreneurial one-man handyman business. He inherited a deficit and, in eight years in a term-limit state, not only balanced the budget but BEQUEATHED A SURPLUS.

We are DROWNING in Intellectuals & Experts. Gimme some horse-sense EFFECTUALITY.
 
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Empirically, he IS. Who balances a budget and leaves a surplus?

He is not only better than either Obama or Romney, he is DISTINCTLY better than both Obama and Romney.
Yes. Gary Johnson is in favor of taxing marijuana and regulating it like a good ruler should.
 
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