Hospitals administering drugs then reporting patients for drug use.

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https://reason.com/2024/12/13/hospi...eporting-them-to-cps-when-they-test-positive/

According to a new investigation from The Marshall Project, hospitals are giving women drugs during labor and then reporting them to child welfare services when they later test positive for those same drugs.

These cases are one of the more maddening side effects of an out-of-control drug war combined with strict mandatory reporting laws.

"Hospital drug testing of pregnant women, which began in the 1980s and spread rapidly during the opioid epidemic, was intended in part to help identify babies who might experience withdrawal symptoms and need extra medical care," writes The Marshall Project reporter Shoshana Walter.

"Federal law requires hospitals to alert child welfare agencies anytime such babies are born."

The problem is that these pee-in-a-cup tests are frequently inaccurate and vulnerable to false positives.

One 2022 study cited by Walter found that 91 percent of women given fentanyl in their epidurals tested positive for it later.

Making matters worse, in several cases reviewed by Walter, a simple lack of due diligence played a major role.

In these cases, "doctors and social workers did not review patient medications to find the cause of a positive test.

In others, providers suspected a medication they prescribed could be the culprit, but reported patients to authorities anyway," Walter writes.

One woman Walter spoke to was reported to child welfare services soon after she gave birth to a stillborn daughter. She had tested positive for benzodiazepine—the same drug she was given before her emergency C-section.

Another woman was given morphine to ease her pain during childbirth and was reported to child welfare services after her baby's first bowel movement tested positive for opiates—even though the morphine was noted in her medical records and a drug test she took shortly before she went into labor showed no drugs in her system.

After another woman tested positive for meth, her four children—including a newborn—were taken from her and kept in first care for 11 days.

They weren't returned until another drug test showed that the positive test was triggered by a heartburn medication she had been given at the hospital.
 
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Errrr, why is fentanyl in prescription meds?

That was the origination of the drug. It was an opiate given by hospitals first, presumably manufactured in China, then some of these manufacturing facilities began selling it on the black market.

The problem with fentanyl is that it is so powerful that it is difficult to measure. What they do is take heroin that is made from poppies that is really expensive and lace it with other substances to make it super weak, but also much heavier, sorta like what they do with cocaine where they will take the pure stuff then add white powder like baby powder or whatever so they can turn their kilo of cocaine into two kilos and whalla, profit. Then instead of selling it as super weak, they add in some cheap fentanyl to boost back the potency to get the price back up. The problem is it's difficult to measure and dose properly, it's also difficult to mix into the heroin and distribute equally, which results in "hot hits" where you get a super dose of fentanyl. That's what makes ODs so prevalent.
 
Errrr, why is fentanyl in prescription meds?

ER's keep cocaine stocked. It's an old remedy for nosebleeds, apparently. In over a decade of working in the hospital ER, I've never seen a doc order it.

The only form of prescribed fentanyl I've ever actually seen used out-of-hospital is as a patch, but that has dropped off over the years as I think the vast majority of doctors are too wary of it.

Doctors here have to personally administer fentanyl if given IV. (not 100% sure if that's a law or just our hospital policy)
 
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This exact same thing happened to my stepdaughter while in the hospital for childbirth of her youngest son ten years ago now.

She was in pain upon admittance, they gave some sort of opiate pain killer, then the next day, started making noise about seizing the newborn because she "had drugs in her system".

SiL is an Oathkeeper and we reached to Stewart Rhodes personally, who sent legal help that specialized in these sort of cases within a day.

That was enough to make them back down and have the whole thing blow over.
 
This exact same thing happened to my stepdaughter while in the hospital for childbirth of her youngest son ten years ago now.

She was in pain upon admittance, they gave some sort of opiate pain killer, then the next day, started making noise about seizing the newborn because she "had drugs in her system".

SiL is an Oathkeeper and we reached to Stewart Rhodes personally, who sent legal help that specialized in these sort of cases within a day.

That was enough to make them back down and have the whole thing blow over.
In 2023/4 Oathkeepers would not ease the situation but escalate it. They would probably accuse them of providing illicit drugs.
 
This exact same thing happened to my stepdaughter while in the hospital for childbirth of her youngest son ten years ago now.

She was in pain upon admittance, they gave some sort of opiate pain killer, then the next day, started making noise about seizing the newborn because she "had drugs in her system".

SiL is an Oathkeeper and we reached to Stewart Rhodes personally, who sent legal help that specialized in these sort of cases within a day.

That was enough to make them back down and have the whole thing blow over.


Holy fuckin shit.

What kind of help, lawyers?
 
Holy fuckin shit.

What kind of help, lawyers?

Yes, a family law lawyer that landed on the hospital with both feet.

I know I posted about it when it happened, but I can't find it.

Maybe The Roach [MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] could scare up the thread or posts.
 
This exact same thing happened to my stepdaughter while in the hospital for childbirth of her youngest son ten years ago now.

She was in pain upon admittance, they gave some sort of opiate pain killer, then the next day, started making noise about seizing the newborn because she "had drugs in her system".

SiL is an Oathkeeper and we reached to Stewart Rhodes personally, who sent legal help that specialized in these sort of cases within a day.

That was enough to make them back down and have the whole thing blow over.

Holy fuckin shit.

What kind of help, lawyers?

Yes, a family law lawyer that landed on the hospital with both feet.

I know I posted about it when it happened, but I can't find it.

Maybe The Roach [MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] could scare up the thread or posts.

I was able to find a couple of references to Rhodes' assistance, but nothing about the incident itself:

Damn, missed it.

Glad you stopped by, you helped out a family member on personal level a couple years back, and I have not forgotten and I continue to support OK financially.

Keep up the good work.

It was about eight years ago, Stewart helped my stepdaughter out of an ugly situation here in NH.

I also found some other more or less relevant blasts from the past:

 
Making matters worse, in several cases reviewed by Walter, a simple lack of due diligence played a major role.

In these cases, "doctors and social workers did not review patient medications to find the cause of a positive test.

The medical system is beyond broken. There is no communication or coordination between shifts or between Doctors. One Doctor administers a sedative, the next Doctor walks in and diagnoses the person as comatose.

They diagnose someone with liver cancer, someone types or clicks it on a computer as bladder cancer, and then the insurance denies the treatment as inappropriate. It takes an act of Congress to realize or expose the SNAFU.
 
ER's keep cocaine stocked. It's an old remedy for nosebleeds, apparently. In over a decade of working in the hospital ER, I've never seen a doc order it.

The only form of prescribed fentanyl I've ever actually seen used out-of-hospital is as a patch, but that has dropped off over the years as I think the vast majority of doctors are too wary of it.

Doctors here have to personally administer fentanyl if given IV. (not 100% sure if that's a law or just our hospital policy)

Fentanyl will often be part of the sedative cocktail for many minor procedures. Colonoscopy for instance. Administered by an anesthesiologist.
 
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