Hope Santorum gets owned at next debate

[alucard13mmfmj]

I just cant wait for the next debate ^^... I want Ron to put Newt and/or Santorum and/or Romney in their place, especially Santorum. I like Santorum for comical relief on the debates.




If we can show voters that Ron can trash Santorum in the next debate we will be in a good position. Santorum's been getting off too easily these past few weeks since florida. No one has had the oppurtunity to stop Sanitarium.


I would also like to say that we should address Santorum as Sanitarium =P

 

[GraspingForPeace]

I just cant wait for the next debate ^^... I want Ron to put Newt and/or Santorum and/or Romney in their place, especially Santorum. I like Santorum for comical relief on the debates.




If we can show voters that Ron can trash Santorum in the next debate we will be in a good position. Santorum's been getting off too easily these past few weeks since florida. No one has had the oppurtunity to stop Sanitarium.


I would also like to say that we should address Santorum as Sanitarium =P

I am looking forward to Wednesday's debate so much. Considering his AMAZING performance in the last debate, I have a good feeling about Dr. Paul in this debate as well. Santorum is going to get GRILLED by everybody on his social views and it will be incredible to watch him flail around trying to pretend to be a conservative Christian. I am hoping that Newt won't get much time to talk in this debate so that maybe Paul won't be the last on speaking time.

 

[rp2012win]

Sadly, this is the one debate we need santorum to be strong. We need santorum to win michigan. That cuts the head off the romney snake. The establishment will take care of santorum because they are terrified. I want paul to have a good debate but not by bringing santorum down.

 

[FrancisMarion]

that third clip is one of my all-time favorites. His expressions while Santorum is running at the mouth are priceless.

 

[pauliticalfan]

So many epic debate moments this election. When this whole thing is over, we have to have a "best of" thread.

 

[mwkaufman]

Sadly, this is the one debate we need santorum to be strong. We need santorum to win michigan. That cuts the head off the romney snake. The establishment will take care of santorum because they are terrified. I want paul to have a good debate but not by bringing santorum down.

Yeah, Romney has everything to gain in this debate. Even Gingrich attacking Romney could be good if it brings some Santorum voters back to Gingrich.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Sadly, this is the one debate we need santorum to be strong. We need santorum to win michigan. That cuts the head off the romney snake. The establishment will take care of santorum because they are terrified. I want paul to have a good debate but not by bringing santorum down.

I guess Santorum can be useful in taking Michigan to further screw Romney. Probably second best outcome (if Ron wasnt 1st) if it was like 35% Santorum, 30% Romney, 25% Ron, 10% Newt for Michigan. Just enough lead, but not landslide. Still need to hammer Santorum so he wont get like 50%+ in michigan. I hope we break 20% in michigan. Like some other people in the forums said, Santorum might pull off a Mccain and win.

I hope Ron didnt get rusty from a few weeks of not debating.

 

[digitaldean]

I would rather see Mitt/Newt bash Santorum the most. But really the more Santorum talks the more people dislike him. But I would like Newt to do very good and Mitt to do bad. The polls right now are:

Santorum - 37%
Romney - 33%
Paul - 15%
Newt - 10%

So if Newt does very good he may pull down Santorum by 10%
If Romney does bad he might fall by 5%

If Paul gets the 5% undecided plus 5-10% more from above he could win by 25.1-30%. Do I think it might happen? No. But the news would have a field day if it did lol

Maybe the people of Dearborn, Michigan will come out in full and vote. Wiki said 45% is Muslim so that's around 50,000 people. But 1 million voted last time in this state so that wont be close to enough.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=MI

 

[braane]

I don't know what I would prefer. Santorum doing poorly has its pros but so does him being strong.

Scenario #1: Santorum does poorly

-- Romney wins both Michigan and Arizona.
-- Ron follows that with a win in Washington

Super Tuesday would look something like this (I hope)

Alaska -- Ron Paul (How this goes is as close to anyone's guess... but poor performances by Santorum make it a Romney and Paul battle)
Georgia -- Newt Gingrich
Idaho -- Ron Paul (Santorum doing poorly before gives this one to Ron in a nail biter)
Massachusetts -- Mitt Romney
North Dakota -- Ron Paul (Same reasoning as before, Santorum loses too much steam and a Paul win in Washington energizes his voters)
Ohio -- Rick Santorum (This ends up an essential 3 way tie between Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum -- early voting will be a factor)
Oklahoma -- Newt Gingrich (Gingrich's PAC pours it on in Oklahoma and pulls off a squeaker)
Tennessee -- Rick Santorum (Santorum holds somewhat steady in Tennessee, Paul gets 3rd over Gingrich)
Vermont -- Mitt Romney (Romney wins by 7-10% over Paul, Santorum and Gingrich hear crickets)
Virginia -- ? (?)


Scenario #2: Santorum does well

-- Romney wins Arizona; Santorum wins Michigan
-- Ron follows that with a win in Washington

Super Tuesday would look something like this (I hope)

Alaska -- Ron Paul (Romney and Santorum split their votes. Paul wins more handily than before)
Georgia -- Newt Gingrich
Idaho -- Ron Paul (Staying positive. We win either way in what will be a nail biter)
Massachusetts -- Mitt Romney
North Dakota -- Ron Paul
Ohio -- Rick Santorum
Oklahoma -- Rick Santorum
Tennessee -- Rick Santorum
Vermont -- ? (?)
Virginia -- ? (?)

Scenario #2 seems to give Santorum more long-term viability, it also could spell the end for Gingrich. Scenario #1 takes the wind out of Santorum's sails and gives Gingrich a reason to continue on. I don't see either scenario as particularly good for Romney. So I will side with what sets Santorum up the worst.

Anyways... Just throwing my picks out there. Probably wrong.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I would rather see Mitt/Newt bash Santorum the most. But really the more Santorum talks the more people dislike him. But I would like Newt to do very good and Mitt to do bad. The polls right now are:

Santorum - 37%
Romney - 33%
Paul - 15%
Newt - 10%

So if Newt does very good he may pull down Santorum by 10%
If Romney does bad he might fall by 5%

If Paul gets the 5% undecided plus 5-10% more from above he could win by 25.1-30%. Do I think it might happen? No. But the news would have a field day if it did lol

Maybe the people of Dearborn, Michigan will come out in full and vote. Wiki said 45% is Muslim so that's around 50,000 people. But 1 million voted last time in this state so that wont be close to enough.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=MI

1million votes in the michigan GOP? wow O_O

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

You don't want anymore people to solidify their vote on Santorum. It's getting to close to Super-Tuesday.

 

[Student Of Paulism]

You don't want anymore people to solidify their vote on Santorum. It's getting to close to Super-Tuesday.

I honestly think it is too late for that. Something needed to be done long before he was able to win 3 states in 1 day, and it wasnt like we couldn't see this coming after IA (yes i know MO was non-binding, but as for perception to the voters go, it's just another knife in the back regardless). Some kind of ad or pot shots at Rick during his events out on the campaign would have helped, as well as reaching out to the demographics that Rick is killing it with right now. It is just inexplicable why all of that was ignored. I think the Party wants this to happen too. They would rather have Obama back if they can't have their way, and they know Rick will be a disaster in the GE. They dont want Mitt, they could have had him last time in 08 and threw him under the bus, he is nothing more than some emergency back up. And too many people have woken up to what Newt is all about, so he is toast. The voters all see Rick as the only viable choice left. Perhaps that could have been Ron, had something more been done or different strategies were played. Hell, Ron did all he could to go after Rick in the previous debates if you remember, and didn't help a single bit. Rick has taken off since then.

I predict he will take the majority of states on ST and will run away with it at that point. I just don't think this last debate can do much to save face, and it's just filler at this point anyway (we all know they frame these stupid things around the establishment stooges and usually end up disappointing) and they cancelled the rest after it.

 

[Kregisen]

Personally I would rather have Santorum win the nomination more than Romney. I think Santorum is a worse candidate for president, but he's also mostly unelectable against Obama. He's too socially conservative. I think it would be more enjoyable to watch Santorum try to debate Obama than Romney debating Obama. Romney vs. Obama would be boring and predictable. Santorum against Obama? Can I say LoL?


Apart from that, I still think Romney is the frontrunner to the nomination. In the end it's money that matters, and Romney has it. He also has strong organization. I'm rooting for Santorum in Michigan, but Romney will take Arizona easily and he could take plenty of states down the road. Gingrich will no doubt drop after super tuesday, which would give Santorum an extra 8% though.

 

[digitaldean]

I don't know what I would prefer. Santorum doing poorly has its pros but so does him being strong.

Scenario #1: Santorum does poorly

-- Romney wins both Michigan and Arizona.
-- Ron follows that with a win in Washington

Super Tuesday would look something like this (I hope)

Alaska -- Ron Paul (How this goes is as close to anyone's guess... but poor performances by Santorum make it a Romney and Paul battle)
Georgia -- Newt Gingrich
Idaho -- Ron Paul (Santorum doing poorly before gives this one to Ron in a nail biter)
Massachusetts -- Mitt Romney
North Dakota -- Ron Paul (Same reasoning as before, Santorum loses too much steam and a Paul win in Washington energizes his voters)
Ohio -- Rick Santorum (This ends up an essential 3 way tie between Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum -- early voting will be a factor)
Oklahoma -- Newt Gingrich (Gingrich's PAC pours it on in Oklahoma and pulls off a squeaker)
Tennessee -- Rick Santorum (Santorum holds somewhat steady in Tennessee, Paul gets 3rd over Gingrich)
Vermont -- Mitt Romney (Romney wins by 7-10% over Paul, Santorum and Gingrich hear crickets)
Virginia -- ? (?)


Scenario #2: Santorum does well

-- Romney wins Arizona; Santorum wins Michigan
-- Ron follows that with a win in Washington

Super Tuesday would look something like this (I hope)

Alaska -- Ron Paul (Romney and Santorum split their votes. Paul wins more handily than before)
Georgia -- Newt Gingrich
Idaho -- Ron Paul (Staying positive. We win either way in what will be a nail biter)
Massachusetts -- Mitt Romney
North Dakota -- Ron Paul
Ohio -- Rick Santorum
Oklahoma -- Rick Santorum
Tennessee -- Rick Santorum
Vermont -- ? (?)
Virginia -- ? (?)

Scenario #2 seems to give Santorum more long-term viability, it also could spell the end for Gingrich. Scenario #1 takes the wind out of Santorum's sails and gives Gingrich a reason to continue on. I don't see either scenario as particularly good for Romney. So I will side with what sets Santorum up the worst.

Anyways... Just throwing my picks out there. Probably wrong.

I 100% agree with what you think will happen. But I am leaning toward scenario #1 to happen. Santorum will flop on the debate and keep saying stupid things.

I hope that after Super Tuesday ends Ron Paul wins 4-5 states coming from: Washington, Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, Ohio, Vermont, or Virginia. This I think will give Ron Paul as a top tier candidate. This will shape this be a Ron Paul vs Santorum fight since Romeny would win 2-3 states which is poor for him.

 

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

Arizona is winner take all. Michigan is proportional. Best result may be Romney winning AZ and losing Michigan to Santorum. If Romney wins both, he'll be inevitable again.

It's going to be dicey to keep all 4 in, especially with Gingrich limping at the moment. Gingrich probably forsees Santorum selfdestructing, and Gingrich rises from the ashes (yet again).

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Well, I hope no one blames Ron and his support for the GOP loss against the 1billion dollar Obama campaign. The only thing that can fight against Obama's machine is truth, honesty, and getting independent/democrat votes.

I guess the GOP AND Democrats don't want Ron Paul... Anyone but Ron Paul. Whether its Obama, Romney, Santorum, Newt, Jeb Bush or whomever.

Still, we gotta make the GOP scared. We gotta make them piss their pants like in Maine.

 

[floridasun1983]

We seem to have an interesting dynamic going on here. I think the establishment has now realized that Romney cannot win this outright. They also realize that Santorum likely cannot win it outright, either, but he can prevent Romney from winning it outright. That leaves the good Dr. right in the thick of things. The prospects of Santorum or Paul winning the nomination are equally frightening to them for different reasons; Santorum because he's a loose cannon who will get slaughtered against Obama, and Paul because he will mean the end the stranglehold of the status quo.

Look for the GOP to pull some trickeration at the convention and try to foist another candidate entirely on us.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

This will be a bad debate for Santorum no matter what Dr. Paul does. Everyone will be focused on him more than ever and ready to pick apart his every word. Before, he could skate by because no one took him seriously. Now, the media will be making up for lost time in vetting him.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

The GOP's plan isn't to win the presidency. It's to prevent Ron Paul from winning, while they sit on their income and let Obama get a second term. They'll just do another 4 years of 'acting' in order to further the illusion of what we have now.

 

[Lord Xar]

Ron needs to attack Santorum.
Mitt needs to attach Newt.

They need to attack hard and fast with alot of information to back it all up.