Honest Question: Just who IS the ESTABLISHMENT?

The Establishment = The Powers That Be

It's not an official group that has a physical presence. More of a concept, a collective, a membership club.

Who's pulling all the strings behind the scenes?
Think of all the party officials in high places. The big donors to political campaigns. The chairmen of powerful executive agencies and Fed. banks. The executives of the military-industrial complex companies. Big labor leaders. Lobbyists. The media. All those who would benefit from keeping the status quo.
 
Think of it as the old guard, or a fraternity if you will. They are set in their ways, protect their "membership", and don't want change.

Now some will try to make it out to be some shadowy network controlling the world, but it's not that explicit. It's more like a coalition we disagree with.

Actually a great example is how fraternal orgs control elections and policies at American Unis.
 
To me the term "establishment" means everybody affiliated with the legislative/executive and judicial branches of the government.
 
I just wonder how those from our side that live off the identity of being "anti-establishment" will cope when our side becomes the establishment.
 
I just wonder how those from our side that live off the identity of being "anti-establishment" will cope when our side becomes the establishment.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. If our type of people get into office we must continue to watch their every move in just the same way we do now.
 
Just who is the establishment?

So I listen to AM radio most if the time when I'm driving to work, and I hear a lot of commercials. What's up with these WE WANT OUR PARTY BACK ads I'm hearing against the Establishment? I'm thinking they're affiliated with Grinch, but if Grinch isn't Establishment, who is?

I think part of the organized chaos is for the RNC to make people think Grinch and Santorum aren't Establishment, totally leaving out Ron, the only TRUE anti-Establishment candidate. I think the strategy goes along with the reason why Grinch and Santorum are vowing to stay in until the end.

What do you guys think?

The Establishment

1.The network of central banks headed by the Rothschild banking dynasty

2. The BIS in Switzerland (The Bank of International Settlements is the nexus of the global central banking system. Think of it as the place where the proceeds of the global debt money system are laundered)

3. The World Bank and the IMF

4. The Bilderberg Group

5. The Committee of 300

6. The media

7. The legal system. Constitutional law which was largely founded upon the English Common Law system has been usurped by commercial law. Virtually all "law" today is based on the old British Admiralty Maritime system, the laws of banking, commerce, maritime salvage and bankruptcy. In the USA, this system is called UCC. (Uniform Commercial Code) and it is a derivation of British Admiralty Maritime jurisdiction. The people are declared bankrupt at birth via the Birth registration Certificate and become the security interest of the state, to pay all debts in perpetuity in return for the fake money issued by the central banking system (Fed, Bank of England, ECB etc). They have achieved this by "incorporating" the populace, that is, they have created a ficticous corporate doppelganger or legal fiction for each and every individual called "the person." You can always recognize this corporate doppelganger because its name is always CAPITALIZED. Look at your driver's license, tax demands, Social Security card, Court summons etc etc. Your name will ALWAYS be CAPITALIZED on these documents MR JOHN DOE as opposed to Mr John Doe.

8. Corporate power and the private banking system. Mussolini defined fascism as a union of state and corporate power. Unlike a communist system, a fascist system tolerates private capital and corporate power just so long as it operates in the interests of the state. America is now a "state capitalist" system operated by a junta of bankers, financiers, corporations, the media and other special interest groups.

9. Secret Societies, high level freemasonry etc.

The political class are bottom of the heap. The purpose of the political class is merely to sell the ambitions of the global elite to the sheeple via the mainstream media, disinformation and lies. The mainstream media is merely the propaganda tool of these special interests.

EVERYTHING you have ever been told by the media and by politicians is a pack of lies.

As for The Grinch and Santorum, look upon it all as theatre.

The global elite has already nominated Romney to win the nomination. He will lose against Obummer which is all part of their plan anyway since they want Obummer in power for 2 terms to complete their dismantlement of the US Constitution and America's freedoms and liberties.

The Grinch and Santorum are just there to create the impression there is a real contest going on. They also deflect attention away from Ron Paul (who scares the crap out of them).

The moment The Grinch started to get too popular, the elitists (via the media) killed his campaign.
 
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Those benefiting from the status quo who will fight tooth and nail to keep themselves in power.
 
Ecosystem of special interests and control mechanisms which thrives symbiotically off the parasitism of the violent, tyrannical State.
 
Uh, gee, guys. Thanks for the "terrible thread" one-star rating. Sheesh. :confused:

The point was that They are even co-opting the term "the Establishment" away from our movement, and trying to use it to benefit Themselves. Sickening.
 
Wow, there are a lot of good answers in this thread in particular the ones that I agreed with most mattsa, liberty74 and student of paulism to name a few. I find it comforting to know I am amongst the knowledgeable minority.
 
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The Establishment

1.The network of central banks headed by the Rothschild banking dynasty

2. The BIS in Switzerland (The Bank of International Settlements is the nexus of the global central banking system. Think of it as the place where the proceeds of the global debt money system are laundered)

3. The World Bank and the IMF

4. The Bilderberg Group

5. The Committee of 300

6. The media

7. The legal system. Constitutional law which was largely founded upon the English Common Law system has been usurped by commercial law. Virtually all "law" today is based on the old British Admiralty Maritime system, the laws of banking, commerce, maritime salvage and bankruptcy. In the USA, this system is called UCC. (Uniform Commercial Code) and it is a derivation of British Admiralty Maritime jurisdiction. The people are declared bankrupt at birth via the Birth registration Certificate and become the security interest of the state, to pay all debts in perpetuity in return for the fake money issued by the central banking system (Fed, Bank of England, ECB etc). They have achieved this by "incorporating" the populace, that is, they have created a ficticous corporate doppelganger or legal fiction for each and every individual called "the person." You can always recognize this corporate doppelganger because its name is always CAPITALIZED. Look at your driver's license, tax demands, Social Security card, Court summons etc etc. Your name will ALWAYS be CAPITALIZED on these documents MR JOHN DOE as opposed to Mr John Doe.

8. Corporate power and the private banking system. Mussolini defined fascism as a union of state and corporate power. Unlike a communist system, a fascist system tolerates private capital and corporate power just so long as it operates in the interests of the state. America is now a "state capitalist" system operated by a junta of bankers, financiers, corporations, the media and other special interest groups.

9. Secret Societies, high level freemasonry etc.

The political class are bottom of the heap. The purpose of the political class is merely to sell the ambitions of the global elite to the sheeple via the mainstream media, disinformation and lies. The mainstream media is merely the propaganda tool of these special interests.

EVERYTHING you have ever been told by the media and by politicians is a pack of lies.

As for The Grinch and Santorum, look upon it all as theatre.

The global elite has already nominated Romney to win the nomination. He will lose against Obummer which is all part of their plan anyway since they want Obummer in power for 2 terms to complete their dismantlement of the US Constitution and America's freedoms and liberties.

The Grinch and Santorum are just there to create the impression there is a real contest going on. They also deflect attention away from Ron Paul (who scares the crap out of them).

The moment The Grinch started to get too popular, the elitists (via the media) killed his campaign.
There are some good answers in this thread. This one is thread winner.
 
I have to say Rothschilds' and their minions. I wish I was part of the inner circle; but alas, I am not. So I guess I'll have to settle for Ron Paul! But I reserve the right to change my mind if I can sell out and join an elitist inner circle of evil globalist despots.
 
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Anyone have those Ven Diagrams that names of Goldman Sachs execs and their government positions?

There were several of these done, showcasing the Government positions held by top execs at Oil and Banking companies.
 
So I listen to AM radio most if the time when I'm driving to work, and I hear a lot of commercials. What's up with these WE WANT OUR PARTY BACK ads I'm hearing against the Establishment? I'm thinking they're affiliated with Grinch, but if Grinch isn't Establishment, who is?

I think part of the organized chaos is for the RNC to make people think Grinch and Santorum aren't Establishment, totally leaving out Ron, the only TRUE anti-Establishment candidate. I think the strategy goes along with the reason why Grinch and Santorum are vowing to stay in until the end.

What do you guys think?

Yes, that sounds about right. Newt and Santorum are members of the "Establishment".
 
The global elite has already nominated Romney to win the nomination. He will lose against Obummer which is all part of their plan anyway since they want Obummer in power for 2 terms to complete their dismantlement of the US Constitution and America's freedoms and liberties.

If this is the case, then why is Ron Paul running for the nomination? Why has he asked us all to sacrifice financially and sacrifice our time for his campaign effort? Is Paul blind to this fact that you claim or is he part of the conspiracy and is being used to keep folks like us blind to the reality of what you state?
 
This is a crucial question that isn't asked enough nowadays. As one of the first posters on this thread said, it is harder nowadays to pinpoint the establishment republicans because they have essentially been going into hiding since the 70's and today nobody who has serious aspirations for national republican positions campaigns on being a Rockefeller Republican or what is simply(but misleadingly) now called a moderate. That doesn't mean they aren't hanging around, on the contrary they are much more sly about it and simply pretend to be conservatives.

I have looked into how to classify the political establishment in America for some time because it is the dominant country in the world and therefore it is important to understand who the biggest and most influential forces are. In Europe for example unions have a seat at the table which isn't the case in America at all. But I'll let an expert explain the innerworkings of American politics. Murray Rothbard along with Ludwig Von Mises was probably the most important intellectual influence on Ron Paul. He was a genius and a polymath and had a knack for connecting the dots and providing the foodnotes. Here is a small piece I found on this topic:

THE "EASTERN ESTABLISHMENT"

Dominant in both major parties for decades is what has been loosely called the "Eastern Establishment," which, in the Republican party, boils down to a close but sometimes uneasy alliance between two powerful and wealthy groups: the Rockefellers and their numerous industrial, corporate, and financial coterie ("the Rockefeller World Empire") (RWE); and the neoconservative-Wall Street group, the latter being a tight coalition of neoconservative foundations, academics, pundits, journalists, and think-tankers, along with their Wall Street allies.

Here we focus on the Republicans; the ruling elites among the Democrats are in some ways different – e.g., multi-gendered, multicultural, victim groups and the Hard Left, though the Rockefellers and the left-neocon Wall Streeters are also powerful if not dominant there. The neocons, who joined the Republican right, and soon took it over, in the late 1970s, brought to the alliance with the Rockefellers the crucial opinion-moulding elite (academia, pundits, technocrats, think-tankers, etc.), plus lots of money from endowed foundations, originally Old Right, which the neocons managed to capture totally in the early 1980s. Whereas the Rockefellers undoubtedly have more money altogether than the neocons, they are obliged to do things with their money – like producing oil – whereas neocon foundation money is free to exert all of its influence in a singleminded drive for State power. In addition, the moulding of public opinion is crucial for any wielding of power, since intellectuals must be relied on to spin the apologia for the exercise of power, and for getting the public to go along with the policies which violate all their sound instincts, e.g., higher taxes, government regulation, foreign aid, open borders, condomania, gun control, affirmative action, the welfare state, or the virtual expulsion of Christianity from the public square.

The Establishment within the Republican party is The Enemy, and always has been. The Eastern Establishment has been the key force in ruling the country for decades, and has guided the Republican party into aiding and abetting the Democrats in their continuing drive toward socialism; in the case of the Establishment, a corporate-statist socialism. It was in rebellion against this elite that the Old, pre-Goldwater right, essentially middle class and businessmen from the Midwestern heartland, waged its determined though losing struggle. And it was against the kindred Democrat elite that the American people waged their glorious populist revolution last year.

The composition of the Republican Eastern Establishment, however, has changed over the decades. From World War II until the 1970s, they consisted of the Rockefeller World Empire; since the late 1970s, however, the RWE has been joined by the neocon-Wall Street forces. In fact, the neocons have successfully achieved primacy over their Rockefeller allies in dominating the Republican party. One crucial reason is that the Rockefellers were always openly leftists (or "moderates" in the whitewash term of the liberal media), so that Nelson Rockefeller and the phrase "Rockefeller Republican" became a stench in the nostrils of every conservative, grassroots American. But the neocons were sneakier; they moved rightward from being Truman-Humphrey Democrats in the late 1970s; they claimed to be "conservative" and in short order managed to take control of the entire conservative movement.

How did the neocons accomplish such a feat? For one thing, as self-proclaimed New York Intellectuals they brought to the Republicans and to the conservative movement a veneer of High Theory that the party and the movement had long lacked: and as ardent "anti-Communists" and "ex"-leftists they were warmly embraced by conservatives as prodigal children and as knowledgeable comrades in the Great Crusade against the Soviet Union. Overlooked in this enthusiasm was the fact that the neocons' anti-Communism was rooted, not in the anti-socialism of the right, but in an adherence to other, anti-Stalin wings of the Marxist Church (e.g., Trotskyite, Bukharinite, Menshevik, and, generally, "right-wing Social Democrat"). This bloodless surrender to the neocons could never have been achieved without leadership in this process by the Pope of the Right since the late 1950s; Bill Buckley and his National Review. Buckley was motivated, not only by the anti-Soviet Communism common to the right, but even more by his yearning for respectability and social acceptance in the fetid hothouse atmosphere of the New York intelligentsiaCan acceptance that could be secured by the Kristols and the Podhoretzes.

Once they were welcomed into the conservative tent; it was duck soup for the neocons to take over: propelled by their organizing skills and their drive for power honed for decades in the Marxist-Leninist movement, and clinched by their rapid takeover of wealthy foundations endowed by Old Right heartland businessmen who doubtless have been spinning rapidly in their graves. Hence, the neocon dominance in much of the Reaganite movement, especially in foreign policy, in the upper strata of conservatism, and now in elite sectors of the Republican party.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch19.html
 
If this is the case, then why is Ron Paul running for the nomination? Why has he asked us all to sacrifice financially and sacrifice our time for his campaign effort?
Because we are winning. Only the media liars are saying that we are losing.

Is Paul blind to this fact that you claim or is he part of the conspiracy and is being used to keep folks like us blind to the reality of what you state?
Ron Paul will not win by stating the conspiracy in fact. While the truth will set us free very few can handle the truth.

The global elite have the printing press. The liberty movement has the numbers. The system is rigged against us, but we can defeat them with the truth. Indeed, more and more people are learning the truth online and become delegates for Ron Paul. Still in order to get our message out to the indoctrinated people still asleep we must use our limited resources to buy ads on their media system. It is an expensive and slow process but like the tortoise and the hare ... we are winning.
 
If this is the case, then why is Ron Paul running for the nomination? Why has he asked us all to sacrifice financially and sacrifice our time for his campaign effort? Is Paul blind to this fact that you claim or is he part of the conspiracy and is being used to keep folks like us blind to the reality of what you state?
Because no establishment is omnipotent and it can be brought down. Consider the Soviet Union that was the worst system mankind has ever seen but in a manner of a couple of years at most it was all gone. No establishment can survive without consent and this is as true in a democracy as it is in the worst totalitarian state. Ron Paul's last campaign coupled with the financial crisis has moved the American population incredibly in the space of 4-5 years. Ron Paul's revolution might very well not meet its fulfilment in this campaign. In fact it is very likely that it won't but every time Ron Paul expands this Liberty Campaigns base he is making the work that much easier for the future.

With regards to Ron Paul and the establishment; he knows all about it although he is smart enough merely to call it the establishment and he will at most attack these people as having an ideology. Ron Paul blew the lid on the whole thing back in 1988 in this interview on some small channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDZsQQ5wRBQ

Personally I don't think the conditions are good enough yet for a victory for our side but this campaign has proven that we are far ahead of what I figured. The rigging and the media blackout still hasn't managed to keep people from supporting Ron Paul and even joining the campaign. Ron Paul has already said that he will continue to work with the liberty movement after this election if he doesn't win. This is crucial because if this is simply one campaign of hope then there isn't much hope in the future but we already have his son as a senator! And others are starting to get fame as well which this section proves http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?286-Defenders-of-Liberty. Ron Paul's goal is to create a Liberty wing in American politics and most likely it will it attach itself on the Republican party which I happen to think is the right choice*.

Why things are looking good for Liberty


-The establishment media(NYT, WashPost,WSJ plus network TV) is losing influence because it is losing money and that will only get worse because of the internet.
(god bless the internet)

-Higher education(aka universities) is losing their power. Online education is destroying it like it is destroying the media. The education buble is already bursting and technology like this :http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...book-push-to-bolster-ipad-use-in-schools.html
will speed up the process. This is important because future intellectuals will no longer go through the government monopoly to learn that the government can do everything.

-America has reached a point of no return economically. For the first time America will openly default on the promises made to senior citizens(SS,Medicaid,Medicare) plus a host of welfare schemes. Not to mention the costly wars. This will happen because of default and not because anybody suddenly wised up. If the establishment was a smart and omnipotent as some claim they would have seen this coming decades ago and held a more moderate stance fiscally. Now it is starting to dawn on them what this means. They get it now but it is too late.(here's the proof:http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north916.html)

-The above point will mean that after more than a century of centralizing power in the Federal Government the trend will reverse. Decentralization goes hand in hand with liberty. This is why the political establishment progressives,left liberals,"moderates",neocons hate state power and is usually against it.

-Ron Paul has convinced millions of young adults, 20-30years, that liberty is in their interest. This is remarkable when the clear tendency among others in this age group and younger is for more state power and welfare(think Occupy Wall Street). Not only that but he is getting them to read books on economics and politics. Not only do they have the right opinions but they know WHY they have them. These people will be future leaders in society.

All of this is reason to be optimistic
 
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