"Honest Cops"...don't resist them!

[heavenlyboy34]

Such valliant heroes...If only mundanes would stop resisting, things would be so much easier...

And the YT comments: SMH. Full of fail.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

only 5% bad.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I most usually make it a policy and a practice to not resist anyone wearing or carrying a gun. My goal is to end the transaction as quickly and peacefully as possible.

So far, so good.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

only 5% bad.

Ah, okay. I only skimmed them. :o The UK based forum I found this on were full of failed comments, like:

That's one spoiled brat that needs a slap! The officer could do with getting fitter but they did what they had to

She reminded me of a toddler throwing a temper tantrum, even had the same fake crying!

SMH.

 

[osan]

Wow. With any luck they will both be killed in the "line of duty" by next Friday.

One can hope, anyhow.

Filth.

 

[pcosmar]

Why was she being arrested,,, before she resisted arrest..?


Because a human being has a RIGHT to resist an unlawful arrest.

And an arrest without a valid arrest warrant is an unlawful arrest.

 

[Suzanimal]

Why was she being arrested,,, before she resisted arrest..?


Because a human being has a RIGHT to resist an unlawful arrest.

And an arrest without a valid arrest warrant is an unlawful arrest.

I read about people being charged with resisting arrest with no other charges on a fairly regular basis, I wonder if those charges actually stick. It seems really stupid.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You guys will probably roast me, but assuming the arrest was lawful, I'd say that guy is top 5% of cops. I think he did the right thing by speaking with bystanders, and I think he did the right thing by not divulging details of "the accused." Most cops would have done neither. I'm not cool with secrecy, but if someone is only accused of something, many of us have a problem with cops and prosecutors badmouthing the arrested like we usually see. I thought he showed some tact.

The female cop was run of the mill.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Why was she being arrested,,, before she resisted arrest..?


Because a human being has a RIGHT to resist an unlawful arrest.

And an arrest without a valid arrest warrant is an unlawful arrest.

Yeah, that's what I want to know.

The officer implied that there was a victim to her action. Perhaps that's BS. Maybe it was drug possession, tax evasion, or something else that didn't have a real victim. If that's the case, than of course she had the right to resist. I do not know if she actually was trying to resist either. My observational skills aren't very good, but it didn't seem like she was resisting to me. She seemed to simply have no idea why she was being resisted. That was the perception I got, but maybe it was wrong.

That said, the officer in that case seemed to at least have a certain level of professionalism. He knew he was on video, but he didn't try to power trip and force them to delete the video, nor does it seem like he physically harmed anyone. Not saying that's "Good", again, its very possible that she didn't deserve to be arrested. But it seems likely to me that this guy falls more under the more general "Doing his job, whether good or bad, but no more than required" category rather than the deliberately sociopathic.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You guys will probably roast me, but assuming the arrest was lawful, I'd say that guy is top 5% of cops. I think he did the right thing by speaking with bystanders, and I think he did the right thing by not divulging details of "the accused." Most cops would have done neither. I'm not cool with secrecy, but if someone is only accused of something, many of us have a problem with cops and prosecutors badmouthing the arrested like we usually see. I thought he showed some tact.

The female cop was run of the mill.

Nope, I agree with you.

I mean, I don't personally have any statistics with regards to the percentage, but I think he was fairly professional about it. I don't know what she was being arrested for. If it was a victimless crime ,the officers are wrong, period. I don't know for sure if she was actually trying to slip out of the cuffs or not, and if not, I don't know why the officer believed that she was. And if its a victimless crime, it might have been pragmatically unwise, but not a violation of the NAP, for her to resist. On the other hand, obviously if there actually was a victim, the cop would have had a moral right to arrest her. And, as you said, he actually talked to the people and he didn't try to prevent them from taking a video. At the very least, I don't think he was deliberately abusing power here. And honestly, I think the people who were talking to him were a little rude. I could understand that if they KNEW it was a BS arrest, but frankly, they didn't know, and they weren't really letting the cop try to explain, so I can understand him getting a little frustrated.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Nope, I agree with you.

I mean, I don't personally have any statistics with regards to the percentage, but I think he was fairly professional about it. I don't know what she was being arrested for. If it was a victimless crime ,the officers are wrong, period. I don't know for sure if she was actually trying to slip out of the cuffs or not, and if not, I don't know why the officer believed that she was. And if its a victimless crime, it might have been pragmatically unwise, but not a violation of the NAP, for her to resist. On the other hand, obviously if there actually was a victim, the cop would have had a moral right to arrest her. And, as you said, he actually talked to the people and he didn't try to prevent them from taking a video. At the very least, I don't think he was deliberately abusing power here. And honestly, I think the people who were talking to him were a little rude. I could understand that if they KNEW it was a BS arrest, but frankly, they didn't know, and they weren't really letting the cop try to explain, so I can understand him getting a little frustrated.

How so? There is no raitonal or even Constitutional reason for cops to exist at all.

 

[Christian Liberty]

How so? There is no raitonal or even Constitutional reason for cops to exist at all.

I didn't say they should exist, I'm not sure how you derived that I said that (Although, if you want to talk about the constitution, not sure why police at the state level would not be constitutional...). I certainly don't support any GOVERNMENT police existing. Would there be private police on the free market? Who knows.

But, while that's the system we have, there's nothing wrong with a cop (Or anyone else, for that matter) arresting someone for whom there is strong evidence has committed an actual act of aggression against another person. Now, even in those cases the sentences are usually messed up, but that's on the judges and perhaps the juries, not the cop. The responsibility of a person making an arrest is to avoid exercising that power on those who are not criminals.

 

[bolil]

I went to the petting zoo and saw a pig. It grunted, and I was surprized.
I asked it, 'why, pig, why do you grunt?"
Some guy standing next to me told me to, "respect the animal." He was eating a BLT.
The pig continued grunting like it couldn't help it. Others joined, some human some bacon.

Fuck the police.

"Screaming 187 on a mother fucking cop."

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I don't know what she was being arrested for.

Shoplifting, I think. Not sure how I know, as this was a topic in another forum, and I have no source.

Anyhow, they were very bad at arresting her. His willingness to discuss it, and care about concerned citizens' opinions is something I rarely see. Never, really. Without knowing more details, this is one of the best "good cop" videos I've seen in years, and I'm generally not very forgiving in that area.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I didn't say they should exist, I'm not sure how you derived that I said that (Although, if you want to talk about the constitution, not sure why police at the state level would not be constitutional...). I certainly don't support any GOVERNMENT police existing. Would there be private police on the free market? Who knows.

But, while that's the system we have, there's nothing wrong with a cop (Or anyone else, for that matter) arresting someone for whom there is strong evidence has committed an actual act of aggression against another person. Now, even in those cases the sentences are usually messed up, but that's on the judges and perhaps the juries, not the cop. The responsibility of a person making an arrest is to avoid exercising that power on those who are not criminals.

I haven't read them all, but I don't think any state constitution provides for cops. It's a city/local thing.

It is not the job of cops to gather evidence and act on it-even presupposing the current horrid state of affairs. Technically, a cop has to get a warrant or at least prove Probable Cause. This process is all too frequently ignored. Just what you should expect from government cops.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I haven't read them all, but I don't think any state constitution provides for cops. It's a city/local thing.

I don't know that the state constitutions do either. But the US Constitution wouldn't prohibit state level law enforcement, to my understanding.

That wasn't my point though. I wasn't supporting government police. But I was saying... if government police is the system you have, and a cop arrests someone for committing a crime (As in an actual crime, with an actual victim) he isn't doing anything wrong. This is kind of like saying that public schools shouldn't exist but that a public school teacher is only inherently immoral if they deliberately infect their students with government propaganda. Make of that whatever you want.

It is not the job of cops to gather evidence and act on it-even presupposing the current horrid state of affairs. Technically, a cop has to get a warrant or at least prove Probable Cause. This process is all too frequently ignored. Just what you should expect from government cops.

Well, yeah. I don't know if that process was followed here or not. I don't know how I could know. I like the fact that he at least seemed to care about what people thought about what he was doing. That doesn't seem like its normally the case. I think there are many cops that would have tasered or even killed her if she really did resist. I think many cops would have illegally threatened the citizens and instructed them not to videotape the arrest. He didn't do that. Does this cop do things that rare wrong as part of his job? No doubt. I'm not denying that. But he at least seems to care about the people he should care about, and that's a good sign.

Shoplifting, I think. Not sure how I know, as this was a topic in another forum, and I have no source.

Assuming that's the case, and assuming there was either a warrant or probable cause, he had a right to arrest her.

Anyhow, they were very bad at arresting her. His willingness to discuss it, and care about concerned citizens' opinions is something I rarely see. Never, really. Without knowing more details, this is one of the best "good cop" videos I've seen in years, and I'm generally not very forgiving in that area.

I agree with you.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Wow. With any luck they will both be killed in the "line of duty" by next Friday.

One can hope, anyhow.

Filth.

I don't hope they get killed. That's kind of messed up.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Double post.

 

[pcosmar]

I didn't say they should exist, I'm not sure how you derived that I said that (Although, if you want to talk about the constitution, not sure why police at the state level would not be constitutional...). I certainly don't support any GOVERNMENT police existing. Would there be private police on the free market? Who knows.

Replace "police" with CONTROL Enforcers. (that is what they are)
And where do you get the idea that people need to be controlled by the government?

Oh,, and the constitution is quite clear.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Now,, without a valid warrant there is no legal arrest.
If you see someone actually commit a real crime (Murder, Theft, Assault, Rape) you have a duty to stop (arrest) them.
This applies to any and all,, no special badge required.

http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

 

[Neil Desmond]

I don't hope they get killed. That's kind of messed up.

Yeah it is messed up, but it is freedom of speech. I guess there's always going to be one person out there who would hope such messed up things and post them on a forum such as this one, perhaps for the purpose of making all of us look messed up. I don't know who's side they're really on, Ron Paul libertarians or against us.