History of resistance

[OmegaWolf747]

All the garbage our government does nowadays, such as sobriety checkpoints... would the citizens of this country have put up with such nonsense 100 years ago, or would there have been a violent resistance?

I'm debating with some people on another message board, but I need sources, or it's not a true debate, just conjecture.

Thanks.

 

[Kludge]

Eh. "Sources" just shift accountability to a person with no valid contact information.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

I mean sources like articles. I tried Google, but couldn't find anything.

I've always been certain that people were less tolerant of government intrusion into their lives a few generations ago, but I don't actually know if this was so.

 

[Truth Warrior]

All the garbage our government does nowadays, such as sobriety checkpoints... would the citizens of this country have put up with such nonsense 100 years ago, or would there have been a violent resistance?

I'm debating with some people on another message board, but I need sources, or it's not a true debate, just conjecture.

Thanks.

Declaration of Independence.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

Well yeah. But I mean instances of citizens saying "no" to something a local, state or the federal government wanted to implement.

For instance, we now have smoking bans. But wouldn't smoking bans have been scorned 100 years ago in this country?

We now have seatbelt laws. Wouldn't people have refused to obey seatbelt laws back in the 60s and 70s?

 

[torchbearer]

Well yeah. But I mean instances of citizens saying "no" to something a local, state or the federal government wanted to implement.

For instance, we now have smoking bans. But wouldn't smoking bans have been scorned 100 years ago in this country?

We now have seatbelt laws. Wouldn't people have refused to obey seatbelt laws back in the 60s and 70s?

I always bring it back to rights and privileges.
First ask,
Did people create the government, or did government create the people?
Are we the masters or the slave?

If we created government, then how can we bestow on government power that we do not have.
Meaning, if i can't take money from you by force, how can the government?
If i can't force you to change your business policies, how can the government?

And if the government can do these things, then it is a power unto itself(because it didn't get that power from us)... and that makes us the slaves and it the master.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

You'll get no argument from me on that.

I'm just wondering if people nowadays aren't more tolerant of government interference than our great grandparents would have been.

Do you think we've become complacent?

 

[torchbearer]

You'll get no argument from me on that.

I'm just wondering if people nowadays aren't more tolerant of government interference than our great grandparents would have been.

Do you think we've become complacent?

The majority have become ignorant.
If they understood what I just said in the above post.... we'd be in violent revolution right now.

They don't understand government, or liberty... or any of the things we are talking about.
They understand American Idol and can tell you which one is their favorite.

I question- is it even sane for me to try and talk to someone who thinks on those terms?

 

[OmegaWolf747]

Yes, they are very ignorant. I don't even watch American Idol.

So you do think that 100 years ago, people would have rebelled against, or at least opposed many of the laws we tolerate today?

 

[torchbearer]

Yes, they are very ignorant. I don't even watch American Idol.

So you do think that 100 years ago, people would have rebelled against, or at least opposed many of the laws we tolerate today?

In the 1860's they did...
after that... all real Men were killed and/or beaten into submission.
Then through propaganda, state's rights was associated with racist bigotry.. so the idea of state sovereignty died.

When the 3%ers rebel this time... there will be Cable news channels calling them anti-government terrorist... and the american idol watcher will believe this and work against them.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

Yeah, the Civil War was really about the suppression of states' rights.

 

[torchbearer]

Yeah, the Civil War was really about the suppression of states' rights.

In 1863, lincoln was losing the war, and losing support in the north to continue his crusade against fellow americans.
He changed the dynamics with the emancipation. Something he wouldn't have done had he trampled the south back into the union quickly.

The civil war wasn't about slavery... it was about the fight that started from the very beginning between those who wanted a small central government and maximum freedom. (anti-federalist) and those who wanted a king. (federalist).

The federalist won because they are true tyrants who don't respect any sovereignty but that of superior force.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

I often wonder how things would be today if we had stayed a confederation of interdependent states with the capital in Philadelphia.

 

[torchbearer]

I often wonder how things would be today if we had stayed a confederation of interdependent states with the capital in Philadelphia.

we wouldn't be here in this mess. that is for sure.
and with many competing state governments... if one state became socialist and overbearing... you could move to another state.
As it is today, the entire planet is a prison... and there are no safe havens for liberty.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

Try New Hampshire!

 

[torchbearer]

Try New Hampshire!

have the revoked the authority of washington dc yet?

 

[OmegaWolf747]

Has NH? No. But they have the Free State Project, where liberty-minded people moved there and created a kind of libertarian utopia. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

 

[torchbearer]

Has NH? No. But they have the Free State Project, where liberty-minded people moved there and created a kind of libertarian utopia. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

I signed up with the FSP so long ago, they didn't even have a state picked.
I wish they had chosen Montana.
We had the founding members speak at our LP state convention.

 

[OmegaWolf747]

I think NH is an awesome choice. They don't even have seatbelt laws there! NH is just about the last libertarian state in the Union!

 

[RSLudlum]

The worship of the state has been quite ingrained in the american psyche over the past 100 years. People were even socially pressured into buying war bonds during WWI. If you weren't buying war bonds many considered you 'unpatriotic'. I even remember reading a story about a man getting beaten by a mob because he decline to buy war bonds.