High IQ And World View

[mczerone]

Why would you say this?

I don't know what he means, but my question is: do you have FAITH that there is no supernatural forces working upon the world, either now or during creation?

I have this faith, but I know that it cannot be proven.

I choose to see the beauty, complexity, and pure absurdness in what is actually presented to us as evidence in the form of the natural world. Others choose to ignore this, and insist on there being "something more". Either choice is a choice of faith.

 

[teacherone]

 

[tmosley]

I am not demonstrating God using a system of logic, I am saying that unless the Christian God exists, there can be no logic at all. Furthermore, I am also saying that unless God exists, the world must contradict itself.



Of course, now you are taking axioms and demanding I subscribe to them, but apparently I am totally out of line when I do it. I will not demonstrate God on your ground, for you necessarily put God beneath us, for first you have our existence, and from that you must derive God's existence. That makes God's existence contingent upon our existence, an inherent contradiction.

One can infer that other things exist from one's own existence.

You don't understand what an axiom is if you think that the Bible is an axiom. The Bible contradicts itself in several places, and as such, no systematic logic can be built off of it. Further, the books that were included in the Bible were chosen by men from among numerous other written and oral histories. Further, the version of the bible which you chose as your axiom matters, because there are fundamental differences depending on the translation. For example, King James says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" where the earlier Greek language version of the Bible says "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live". Further than that, the Old Testament of the KJB uses the word Hell on many occasions, where the originals used at least three different words, implying different places and conditions.

If you use the Bible as an axiom, your logic will inevitably fall apart, because it has been changed over and over throughout history to conform to local norms, in addition to changes and errors introduced during translation. In addition, you use certain common American Christian beliefs as axioms that have no basis in the Scripture, but were simply MADE UP by certain preachers during certain popular sermons, and others that were often based off of writings tangential to actual scripture (such as The Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, and even Faust).

If you want to pick some axioms out of the Bible, fine, but base your assumptions on SOMETHING, rather than something you vaguely point to without definition.

 

[erowe1]

This is not surprising to me at all.

One of my pet peeves is when people with good, pro-morality, pro-freedom, anti-big government, political views, act like the reason others don't think that way is because they're not as smart as us. That's totally backwards. They are the smart ones. What makes them different is not an intellectual failing on their parts, but a moral one. Liberals are kind of like the evil genius villains in super hero comics.

 

[Pericles]

All this tells me is that people are still stupid no matter what belief or lack of belief they have.

Actually the people in the study group were absolutely average. The "study"labeled low IQ as those who averaged 97 and high IQ as the group with an average of 103.

As 100 is the norm reference with a standard deviation of 10, two thirds of the population will have an IQ from 90 to 110, and being less than one standard deviation from the mean, are the average.

Now if you want to see how the really high IQ types score, you need to find people with IQ over 130, because those are the top .1% of the population.

 

[Epic]

Pew Poll on who is informed in America.

Answer: White, men, old people, republicans.

http://people-press.org/report/319/...e-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

 

[Bman]

IQ tests aren't bogus. They're just a test with no real application other than comparing one score to another.