Hey if you guys believe there is fraud going on...

[Ender]

Right and vote fraud requires a conspiracy. Multiple people conspiring to change the outcome of an election. I think many people think the GOP is some monolithic entity, but in reality it is not. It is people like you and I that are simply volunteering or in a low paid elected position. They do so because they have a desire to serve their community. I personally know the director of elections for my county - he is a regular guy, as are my county GOP committeemen. It takes a huge stretch of the imagination to think that they all gathered together in a secret back room and all conspired to change the outcome of the election and report the totals to be the direct opposite of what they are. And the other problem with a conspiracy - one person blows the whistle and it all comes tumbling down. So honestly for all the talk of fraud we have on here, I have seen no hard proof that would stand up in a court of law as a legitimate violation of the law.

If you folks have it, get a lawyer, take it to court and prove it. Because if it is truly occurring and you do have evidence, then those that have committed fraud should be punished.

So, somehow you missed this interview?

Republican Strategist: Iowa GOP Will Not Allow Ron Paul To Win

http://chrisinmaryville.net/republican-strategist-iowa-gop-will-not-allow-ron-paul-to-win.html

 

[wgadget]

Ivash, you must be cognizant of the fact that the Establishment is not merely made up of just the GOP. It is the entire system that Ron Paul is up against. He rails against the very fiat money that is the foundation of the whole house of cards.

 

[KingNothing]

Then send your proof to MSNBC. I know ya'll distrust the media in general, but that new station is so pro-liberal that they'd love an opportunity to besmirch the GOP and all of their candidates. And this, if true, would be a huge story that they'd love to cash in on, as well as pretty much guaranteeing that the Republicans would not win the election. Who'd want to vote for a cheating party?

I'd prefer we kept the insanity localized to this forum.

 

[Carson]

Then send your proof to MSNBC. I know ya'll distrust the media in general, but that new station is so pro-liberal that they'd love an opportunity to besmirch the GOP and all of their candidates. And this, if true, would be a huge story that they'd love to cash in on, as well as pretty much guaranteeing that the Republicans would not win the election. Who'd want to vote for a cheating party?

If there is, are you sure they would allow it to be found out?

The world is full of globalist shills running for office.

 

[tbone717]

So, somehow you missed this interview?

Republican Strategist: Iowa GOP Will Not Allow Ron Paul To Win

http://chrisinmaryville.net/republican-strategist-iowa-gop-will-not-allow-ron-paul-to-win.html

Ok I listened to the interview and while the person being interviewed talked about how county officials work in coordination with each other in the delegate process, but I don't see the crime of fraud here. As she said, Iowa is a lot different that other states, but there still isn't a crime here. Party officials teaming up to prevent Paul from winning the delegates sure, I guess Iowa has a secret back room deal (over the BBQ as she said), but that is still not fraud - that's party politics at play.

When people say fraud they are talking about the crime of changing the results of an election. While I don't like what the lady being interviewed was suggesting was going on, it still isn't criminal what they are doing.

 

[tbone717]

double post

 

[tbone717]

Alright folks - calling it a night.

Honestly, if you guys have something that is a violation of a state's election laws, then get a lawyer, file a case with the State Atty General's office and make sure the people responsible for the crime are punished.

Sending a bunch of charts, graphs and circumstantial evidence to the media is pointless. If you have proof, file suit and the media will find the story.

 

[Elixir]

And LOL to think that there is no election fraud. Of course there is fraud, and of course it hurts Ron Paul. Do you really think that the establishment/powers that be HATE Ron Paul, and the mainstream media marginalizes/ignores him 24/7, but they'll just forget the fact that they hate him when it comes to counting votes? Really?? There is fraud. The only reasonable question is how much fraud is there?

My sentiments exactly! Kudos to you for seeing through the rampant BS we are being sold.

On top of that, paperless electronic voting. Yea democracy!

 

[Ivash]

Bah, posting multiple quotes per post is irritating. Let me try this agian...

And LOL to think that there is no election fraud. Of course there is fraud, and of course it hurts Ron Paul. Do you really think that the establishment/powers that be HATE Ron Paul, and the mainstream media marginalizes/ignores him 24/7, but they'll just forget the fact that they hate him when it comes to counting votes? Really?? There is fraud. The only reasonable question is how much fraud is there?

Three things...
1) The fraud that we are talking about is more than just one person working on his own. It'd have to be a significant portion of the GOP.
2) They don't 'hate' Ron Paul. As I've said, I am decently connected with the GOP and Democratic Elite, and most just... think of Ron Paul with amusement. They don't really take him seriously (yet). Heck, in Iowa they were more worried that a victory by Congressman Paul would make the Iowa Caucus irrelevant. You see, despite putting up some impressive numbers sometimes, they see Ron Paul as a marginal figure with a small but dedicated base, and one that in a normal election cycle won't really get much support. That is partly why it is too bad that Dr. Paul will probably be too old next time to run; it would be interesting to test their hypotheses in a more normal election with stronger candidates and a more energized base.
3) As I said before, the GOP would have to be truly desperate to do such a thing. And, frankly, they aren't.

Ivash, you must be cognizant of the fact that the Establishment is not merely made up of just the GOP. It is the entire system that Ron Paul is up against. He rails against the very fiat money that is the foundation of the whole house of cards.

Neither the liberal media nor the Democratic party view Dr. Paul as a threat. Many are convinced that Dr. Paul would get absolutely blown away by Obama. There is a very large part of the Republican base that would never, under any circumstances, vote for Ron Paul. The ideology of liberalism and libertarianism is so far apart that it is unlikely that Dr. Paul would pull pretty much any of those people to his side. And given such hostility, they figure it unlikely that he could pull enough moderates (who would be heavily influenced by those hating on Paul from the right and the left) to offset that. And remember: this could easily give them control for decades. They would risk much more for that.

 

[wgadget]

It's really quite simple: Follow the fiat money.

 

[RonRules]

Why the press? Why not a lawyer instead and move to prosecute the people you are accusing?

Nobody has been "accused" yet. For all we know, it's possible that Romney is totally impervious to what's going on. (unlikely, but possible). Someone or a group want him to win the 2012 elections. The GOP top brass or Romney himself would be the first places to look.

Also, look at the true ownership of the election tabulation machines and the software contractors that work on them.

Right now we need to analyze all the data that's available. Tonight we've uncovered some fascinating results from VA. Go have a look at the flippin' thread.

 

[jcarcinogen]

I'd prefer we kept the insanity localized to this forum.

That would take forces that are not minarchist. Who gives a shit what you prefer?

 

[Ivash]

Nobody has been "accused" yet. For all we know, it's possible that Romney is totally impervious to what's going on. (unlikely, but possible). Someone or a group want him to win the 2012 elections. The GOP top brass or Romney himself would be the first places to look.

Also, look at the true ownership of the election tabulation machines and the software contractors that work on them.

Right now we need to analyze all the data that's available. Tonight we've uncovered some fascinating results from VA. Go have a look at the flippin' thread.

The problem with this (and studies have shown this to be true) is that when you get like minded people together with a set idea in mind, they'll find evidence supporting that argument even when it isn't actually evidence. This isn't a conscious choice, so don't take it like I am accusing you, it's just that even if that group is sure they've found proof of manipulation, you'll need to run it by several unbiased (or, better yet, biased against you. Actually, it would best if you ran it by both) mathematicians (I am not a mathematician myself, so I can't help you there) who could look over your work and see if there were any holes. If they cannot find any holes, or if the holes aren't big enough to actually puncture the theory, send it to the media. If it is airtight enough at least the liberal media will probably respond- if not now, then during the general election.

 

[KingNothing]

That would take forces that are not minarchist. Who gives a shit what you prefer?

Non-lunatics? People capable of rational thought?

I offered my opinion. If you don't like it, I don't care. I would ask, though, that you think before you make wild, stupid, accusations and present them to Normal people. The insanity of one Ron Paul supporter, hurts all Ron Paul supporters. The media lumps us all together, so it would be a shame to let someone so deeply committed to delusions and weird paranoia bring more bad press to our entire movement.

 

[Elixir]

Non-lunatics? People capable of rational thought?

I offered my opinion. If you don't like it, I don't care. I would ask, though, that you think before you make wild, stupid, accusations and present them to Normal people. The insanity of one Ron Paul supporter, hurts all Ron Paul supporters. The media lumps us all together, so it would be a shame to let someone so deeply committed to delusions and weird paranoia bring more bad press to our entire movement.

Alert: anyone who currently questions the legitimacy of our already proven fraudulent in the year 2000 electoral process are lunatics and insane by KingNothing's definition.

Just a heads up.