Hey Campaign and Sunshine Blowers - the LP already exists!!

[Carlybee]

Isn't running to the Libertarian Party because the Ron Paul campaign isn't functioning anymore like running to UPN because CBS's programming got worse?

You do know that some members of the Libertarian party are registered Republican JUST to vote for Ron Paul, right?

 

[Revolution9]

And where did I say you should be inspired by the LP? I said Im for a new party so either go read my other posts in this thread or chill.

Stop using the royal "we" if you do not want to be interpreted in that manner. Many Libs do that around here like we just frikkin' agree..no questions asked.

HTH
Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Isn't running to the Libertarian Party because the Ron Paul campaign isn't functioning anymore like running to UPN because CBS's programming got worse?

Yes.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

You do know that some members of the Libertarian party are registered Republican JUST to vote for Ron Paul, right?

That was the plan. Watch attempts to hijack our grassroots for Libertarians benefit and their ideologues and screw the whole damned thing into a kiboshed kerfluffle. Our plan is not quite theirs.

Rev9

 

[Carlybee]

Stop using the royal "we" if you do not want to be interpreted in that manner. Many Libs do that around here like we just frikkin' agree..no questions asked.

HTH
Rev9

I was referring to "we" as people who shared the thoughts I was referring to. Not my problem if you have a problem with interpretation and apparently a propensity for jumping to conclusions.

 

[Carlybee]

That was the plan. Watch attempts to hijack our grassroots for Libertarians benefit and their ideologues and screw the whole damned thing into a kiboshed kerfluffle. Our plan is not quite theirs.

Rev9

No one is saying it is but there's also not a whole lot to be gained by bashing and alienating them. Same with Blue Republicans, Indy voters, and anti-war Democrats...many who have donated time and money to this campaign.

 

[Revolution9]

The LP want to have child porn? Really?

The war on drugs is a joke and over a trillion has been wasted in the last 3 decades deeding the prison industrial complex and the Unions with non violent people. In regards to prostitution, what concern is it of yours if the act is voluntary? We have real criminals running the streets and running our govts. And you want to put a joint smoker behind bars and people who pay another to have sex? Please!

I have never used drugs much less pay for sex.

Ya know.. I recall being om the streets of LA and Hollywood, NYC and Montreal, Toronto and New Orleans. Met alot of hookers. Met a few callgirls. A great many were doing it as a form of economic slavery and if they could have made a living any other way thy would..But mostly it was too tough to get off the streets for them. So I ain't too sure about the voluntary part. Because of what I saw and the stories I heard from these young people I will never buy another human being for my use and pleasure. My dick just ain't worth the karma.

The war on drugs is a joke and I have a grave and a nice pile of drano for dissolving bones for any pedophile gets around any children I know.



Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

I was referring to "we" as people who shared the thoughts I was referring to. Not my problem if you have a problem with interpretation and apparently a propensity for jumping to conclusions.

Yeah.. Well the board owner and a few others took your word for what i interpreted them as so it looks like yer smarm is reversed. You change yer frikkin' tone..not me.

Rev9

 

[Carlybee]

Yeah.. Well the board owner and a few others took your word for what i interpreted them as so it looks like yer smarm is reversed. You change yer frikkin' tone..not me.

Rev9

Um back off. You are getting mad because you misinterpreted something? Grow up. What are you? 12? And I assume if the board owner has an issue with what I post, I will hear about it some other way than through you. Free speech much? Done with responding to you.

 

[Diashi]

I'm not even considering the LP until after Tampa.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Yeah.. Well the board owner and a few others took your word for what i interpreted them as so it looks like yer smarm is reversed. You change yer frikkin' tone..not me.

Rev9

WTF??

If someone else was confused by Carlybee's meaning, why didn't they just ask????

 

[Carlybee]

WTF??

If someone else was confused by Carlybee's meaning, why didn't they just ask????

Because it's more fun to pretend to be a badass on the internet

 

[hrdman2luv]

LP has about 100,000 members I understand. C4L has over 600,000, and that was BEFORE this campaign started. I think you are wrong about the LP having more support than Ron Paul.

The problem with the LP from my point of view is that they have their own internal politics which don't really seem better than the GOP politics. I mean, Barr?

Yeah, I hated Barr's record. Is he still part of th LP?
If we can make this big of an impact on the GOP, imagine what we could do in the LP. At least with the LP, we won't have to battle on issues.

 

[Mckarnin]

I don't think the LP is our future. They seem to enjoy ranting and being contrary for the hell of it and their track record when it comes to electoral victories is pathetic. No, we need to stick with GOP and Dem or start an entirely new party.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

When I was a member of the LP, it was controlled opposition. Out of the few local officers, one was an informant working for the DEA. Most likely, other agencies too we'll never know about.

And also - Barr last time? Come on.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I don't think the LP is our future. They seem to enjoy ranting and being contrary for the hell of it and their track record when it comes to electoral victories is pathetic. No, we need to stick with GOP and Dem or start an entirely new party.

That is true. I think that basically comes from the objectivists - which in my opinion was created for exactly that purpose by Rand. Her book is an objectivist FARCE. It's designed to cause arguments. Her book title which is from a character quote in the book is in error, her first line is plagerized, she divides her book up into Aristole's "thee laws" from logic - which is exactly not being objective and why the scientific revolution took place 2,000 years later, etc etc. You can be logical with entirely false premises, it isn't being objective. In fact, most of the lies you see are logical constructs but totally untrue.

And of course, she talks about political farces and their purpose in her book. Most people like lemmings read over it, and I can think of no other person that has CAUSED MORE ARGUMENT in the liberty movement for 40 years than Rand.

Ayn Rand on Arabs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU

(Fyi Rand has an accent because she is a jewish russian immigrant who worked for the communist party shortly after she got out of college, and her mother was a local communist party leader).

 

[QWDC]

I like the LP but don't think they are the future, here's a good example why:

Ron Paul runs for President in 1988, LP:

*Gets a few small crowds nationwide
*Doesn't get on the ballot in every state
*is not in any debate
*probably not mentioned once by any national media.
*gets around .5% of the total vote
*campaign really doesn't accomplish much for himself or the LP between then and 2007

Ron Paul runs for President 2007-now, GOP

*huge crowds everywhere he goes, superstar on the campaign trail.
*On the ballot in every state easily
*At least this time around, featured in every prime-time debate, getting his ideas out there.
*At some points a daily talking point in the national media (not very positive though, you could tell they were scared)
*pulls in 2X% in quite a few states primaries, was once a viable threat to win Iowa. (screw you CNN)
*from these 2 campaigns came: Tea Party, C4L, Rand Amash Massie etc., the taking of multiple state GOP's (how many states have we taken over?) oh, and the revival of libertarianism in general politics.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I like the LP but don't think they are the future, here's a good example why:

Ron Paul runs for President in 1988, LP:

*Gets a few small crowds nationwide
*Doesn't get on the ballot in every state
*is not in any debate
*probably not mentioned once by any national media.
*gets around .5% of the total vote
*campaign really doesn't accomplish much for himself or the LP between then and 2007

Ron Paul runs for President 2007-now, GOP

*huge crowds everywhere he goes, superstar on the campaign trail.
*On the ballot in every state easily
*At least this time around, featured in every prime-time debate, getting his ideas out there.
*At some points a daily talking point in the national media (not very positive though, you could tell they were scared)
*pulls in 2X% in quite a few states primaries, was once a viable threat to win Iowa. (screw you CNN)
*from these 2 campaigns came: Tea Party, C4L, Rand Amash Massie etc., the taking of multiple state GOP's (how many states have we taken over?) oh, and the revival of libertarianism in general politics.

The LP is like the pied piper leading all the children away from what is actually going on in town, so they don't do anything.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, and they're relatively useless except as a protest vote. Our only hope for the long term is to do just what Ron said, and to keep working in the GOP party.

Non-political means are even more important. (i.e. educating people) As long as people cling to bad ideas, you're not going to make progress.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The LP is like the pied piper leading all the children away from what is actually going on in town, so they don't do anything.

All electoral politics is a distraction, and always will be until the puppetmasters and banksters are gone.