Hey Campaign and Sunshine Blowers - the LP already exists!!

[heavenlyboy34]

Stop using the royal "we" if you do not want to be interpreted in that manner. Many Libs do that around here like we just frikkin' agree..no questions asked.

HTH
Rev9

People of all stripes here use the royal "we" foolishly. It's very disheartening.

 

[idiom]

I wonder if we might have won Iowa and other states outright if we had had the full attention and support of all the LP members...

 

[LawnWake]

The GOP has an electorate and hands within America's mainstream power structure. The LP has neither. And you know the GOP has millions of registered members, the LP has 100 thousand? You'll reach way more poeple in the GOP than you would in the LP.

Like I've bene arguing the entire time I've bene here. People aren't about issues as much as the IDEA that they're about the issues (the soft voters, who make up the biggest part of any electorate). You can sell any idea as 'conservative' if the mainstream establishment consider it that, and the masses will blindly follow. I mean, hating gays, brown people and muslims and supporting the war on drugs has been sold as 'conservative' and 'small government' and the people just took it because they've been told by the establishment that that's 'conservative'. So if we BECOME that establishment, we can tell them that the opposite is true.

 

[Carlybee]

People of all stripes here use the royal "we" foolishly. It's very disheartening.

Good grief could you people find anything more trivial to latch on to? People also dont seem to understand that being a libertarian does not necessarily mean one is a member of the libertarian party.

 

[Shotdown1027]

Does it exist though? I can't remember ever meeting an LP congressman, senator, state senator or assemblyman.

Maybe you havent met them, but some assemblymen/representatives have existed. 12 of them, to be exact. All of them in Alaska, New Hampshire, or Vermont.

 

[Shotdown1027]

I have a hard time seeing why I cant support both the Libertarians and the Liberty Republicans at the same time.

This.

Support Liberty Republicans in primaries and when they reach to november. In all other races, I vote third party.

 

[Dogsoldier]

Lets get a couple things straight.Ron Pauls beliefs are libertarian NOT NO WAY NO HOW FRIKKIN republican.
Ron Paul defends the constitution.<---LIBERTARIAN.Republicans and democrats are on the same team and care nothing for the constitution and that is extremely obvious.

I promise if more republicans are born from Ron Pauls influence and follow the constitution I'll vote for them but only them.They would have to be just like Paul though and follow the constitution.

 

[hrdman2luv]

I wonder if we might have won Iowa and other states outright if we had had the full attention and support of all the LP members...

After this election season is over, I will be returning to the LP. RP is the only reason I'm standing with the GOP now.

I say we give the GOP enough rope, and they''' hang themselves with it.

For example: Boehner has is making moves to "rewrite Obama-care". Not abolish it. But re-write it. When the voters get wind of this, Obama will be a shoe-in for 4 more years. They are more influenced by lobbyist than they are the people.

I can't stand being called a republican. It makes my blood boil.

Ron Paul brought the LP a much better reputation. And after this election, I think we should all run with it.

But that's just my opinion. In fact, I'm thinking seriously about renting a building for the LP here in East Texas. A meeting place for new comers. A place for all the disinfranchized republicrats.

The fact is, RP is a Libertarian. The only reason he is in the GOP, is because it was the only way he could get elected. But now, that's all changed. If RP were to switch parties, and run for another congressional term under the Libertarian flag, he'd get elected.

 

[airborne373]

The problem with the Big L Party in Indiana is they do not necessarily even support Ron Paul. In 2007 & 2008 the people running the LP rejected Ron Paul and treated our meetup, the largest in the state like we where crazy. Only after the election did these Big "L" party people want to use our resources for their non-supporting Ron Paul agenda.

People would be wise to stop anthropomorphizing political parties. They are things, they have no emotions, or desires. It is the people who make up parties that matter.

P.S. Who needs the MSM promoting the Ron Paul Third Party Meme when we have the RPF and DP.

 

[Carlybee]

Even now the Romulans think RP people are all weed smoking hippies. I saw one on their chat suggesting pot sniffing dogs for Tampa.

 

[airborne373]

Even now the Romulans think RP people are all weed smoking hippies. I saw one on their chat suggesting pot sniffing dogs for Tampa.

Who cares what these people think. They have been wrong for decades. Not to mention are openly hostile to The Constitution and Bill of Rights contained within.

 

[Carlybee]

Who cares what these people think. They have been wrong for decades. Not to mention are openly hostile to The Constitution and Bill of Rights contained within.

I don't but delegates going to Tampa should if they don't want to get locked out of the building because thats what the Romulans want to see happen.

 

[airborne373]

I don't but delegates going to Tampa should if they don't want to get locked out of the building because thats what the Romulans want to see happen.

What? You claim someone has the power to prevent elected officials from conducting their sworn duties because they might boo? Where do you get this?

 

[G-Wohl]

The LP want to have child porn? Really?

No. This idea stems from one member of the party, Mary Ruwart, who wrote a section in one of her books advocating for the lessening of child porn laws. The official Libertarian Party position is that they are, obviously, against child porn.

 

[Xenophage]

My response to the offical campaign's new attitude and all the people blowing sunshine in their obituary-esque reflections on the campaign's successes is THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ALREADY EXISTS. OK, so we have been a bit more successful than the LP, but these people are relegating us to a SLIGHTLY BETTER LP with all this talk about "look how far we have come, we are building a liberty movement starting at local levels, blah blah."

Excuse me for not getting warm and fuzzy as people like Jack Hunter, Trevor Lyman, that guy on LRC, and others expect us to get excited about doing THE EXACT SAME THING THE LP HAS BEEN DOING FOR DECADES. The LP's efforts aren't without merit (I've been registered LP in the past and given them money), but the end results are pretty paltry. The RP campaign was supposed to be about GOING ALL-IN for a big win. I guess I believed Dr Paul when he kept saying that HE IS IN THIS RACE TO WIN. While nice, I am not going to start jumping up and down over a NEW AND IMPROVERD LIBERTARIAN PARTY.

And, who's side is Benton on? He should be doing his job to publicize all the dirty tricks being used AGAINST US, rather than slapping us (those who pay his salary) on the wrist for occassional rude behaviour that amounts to 1/100th of what has been done against us. Where are the press releases about our people getting locked out, getting punched, getting the lights turned off, etc. at the state conventions?? - the liberal HuffPo covered it better than our own campaign. There are some who think this is "all part of a plan" to lull the opposition and Benton is a secret genious, but I don't buy it. I am very afraid the campaign is going to LET THE RP CANDIDACY GO OUT WITH A WIMPER IN THE NIGHT.

I'm not giving up, but this campaign is disheartening. And, all this drivel about a slow process of spreading liberty so that maybe our grandchildren will have marginally more freedom than us is an F'N' BOOBY PRIZE.

MY PREFERRED PLAN OF ACTION IS VERY SIMPLE: stay aggressive with delegate building, go 110% into the convention, be strategically disruptive at the convention as necessary, and encourage ALL RP supporters to vote RP on the FIRST BALLOT (regardless of being "bound"). If we still lose after that, I'd be OK with it because we did everything we could instead of QUITTING EARLY LIKE A BUNCH OF WEAKLING LOSERS.

I fear the campaign has TRADED AWAY THE WHOLE SHEBANG for a mere primetime speech or some toothless committment to get behind Rand in the future, perhaps with the added cherry on top for Jesse Benton with a career in the GOP establishment. I pray they didn't give away the farm, sell us short, and trade away all the delegate power we fought so hard for plus all the political capital we've build over 5+ years FOR PEANUTS.

The establishment would like nothing better than for us to politely abide by their rules and then at bedtime go to our rooms and quietly play with our toys, knowing our place as an impotent little "educational" movement out on the margin of politics. Sure, they'll let us feel statisfied with a few little town council posts and maybe even a congressman or two to keep us placated. But basically, we remain powerless as leviathin marches on. Going all-out-balls-to-the-wall at the convention and losing would atleast be an awesome show of force, get us heard, and encourage others to join.

Hear hear! There's NO reason to go to that convention as a delegate unless you intend to cause a scene and go for the big victories, or go down in a blaze of glory. If I get elected as a national delegate, I am NOT spending $1500 to politely clap and watch the Republicans crown Mitt Romney the nominee. What a waste of time! If all we got out of the national convention is a speaking slot, or some resolutions, or some sort of impact on the party platform, then we have been completely defeated. What a waste of everyone's time, money and effort! That stuff is completely meaningless.

 

[Exiled_LFOD]

I'm not giving up, but this campaign is disheartening. And, all this drivel about a slow process of spreading liberty so that maybe our grandchildren will have marginally more freedom than us is an F'N' BOOBY PRIZE.

The facts are:

~72,000,000 registered democrats
~55,000,000 registered republicans

~250,000 registered libertarians
~600,000 campaign for liberty

since facts are not problems... maybe a problem is a belief 1) the facts don't matter, or 2) the facts aren't what they are. Disheartening often derives from false expectations. There is probably a fine line between optimism and expectation in electoral politics.

Electoral politics doesn't have a reputation like other games or sports that there are reasons to play other than winning. I feel for people that are riding an emotional roller coaster. The Ron Paul r3VOLution ought to develop some culture if it intends to successfully continue for eternity in electoral politics and retain some semblance of sanity. I mean culture in establishing some traditions or regularly occurring events. An environment and atmosphere in which creates a culture that the game is not played to solely to win, it is played because it is honorable, good, and just to stand up and speak out for what is right. With regards to getting from here to there, I suspect a couple F words might be involved... fellowship & fun.