Hey Campaign and Sunshine Blowers - the LP already exists!!

[Liberty74]

The LP? Is that the same party that runs on the platform of decriminalizing child porn, drugs and prostitution? That one? Good luck. lol

The LP want to have child porn? Really?

The war on drugs is a joke and over a trillion has been wasted in the last 3 decades deeding the prison industrial complex and the Unions with non violent people. In regards to prostitution, what concern is it of yours if the act is voluntary? We have real criminals running the streets and running our govts. And you want to put a joint smoker behind bars and people who pay another to have sex? Please!

I have never used drugs much less pay for sex.

 

[Merk]

Agreeing with OP.

We simply don't have time to grow the movement from the local level up. The police state and currency debasement must stop now or it will be unstoppable.

Fortunately Benton has zero control over the delegates and I would have no remorse over total disruption at the convention after all the low down, dirty tricks, used against us by the GOP since 2007. There can't be any "deals" made because the campaign cannot control the grassroots.

I'm feeling betrayed by the campaign at this point because Benton is clearly not "in it to win it".

LP has about 100,000 members I understand. C4L has over 600,000.

C4L was built with all the "leftover" campaign money from 2008 and in my opinion has been a failure due to the incredibly low voter turnout in its target demographic of 18-24 y.o. during this campaign.

 

[Carlybee]

Yeah good luck with running those insiders out. At this point I'm for a new party. I wont be told I have to become the enemy to defeat the enemy...I dont know what Sun Tzu's take is on that. That being said I do appreciate the blood sweat and tears people have expended to get this far but its obvious that we we appear to have the delegates for a brokered convention and the campaign says we dont and folds up shop...either something is rotten in Washington or this has been an exercise all along to secure Rand a slot in the establishment. JMO

Paradigm change...google is your friend

 

[sailingaway]

Agreeing with OP.

We simply don't have time to grow the movement from the local level up. The police state and currency debasement must stop now or it will be unstoppable.

Fortunately Benton has zero control over the delegates and I would have no remorse over total disruption at the convention after all the low down, dirty tricks, used against us by the GOP since 2007. There can't be any "deals" made because the campaign cannot control the grassroots.

I'm feeling betrayed by the campaign at this point because Benton is clearly not "in it to win it".



C4L was built with all the "leftover" campaign money from 2008 and in my opinion has been a failure due to the incredibly low voter turnout in its target demographic of 18-24 y.o. during this campaign.

Disruption for disruption sake at convention is a TERRIBLE idea. We get nothing but shut down from that.

I do think we have to make the party be fair by its own rules, though, and do feel a bit betrayed that the campaign didn't defend us on OK in particular, where our disturbance equaled demanding fair vote counts and blocking people's fists with our head and back (so to speak). None of OUR guys hit anyone. Videoed them, sure.

 

[LibertyInJeopardy]

Sorry. All of you who think Ron Paul supporters should switch over to the Libertarian Party have things backwards. The Libertarian Party should merge their efforts with ours in states we have won so that they cannot be retaken by the old guard.

The old leadership is just waiting in the wings (see Nevada shadow party for example) and will try to make sure Ron Paul supporters have a weakened party until they are voted out without Ron Paul to inspire turn out.

 

[Carlybee]

Disruption for disruption sake at convention is a TERRIBLE idea. We get nothing but shut down from that.

I do think we have to make the party be fair by its own rules, though, and do feel a bit betrayed that the campaign didn't defend us on OK in particular, where our disturbance equaled demanding fair vote counts and blocking people's fists with our head and back (so to speak). None of OUR guys hit anyone. Videoed them, sure.

Not to mention the OK delegates besides being spot on informed were well behaved and kept their cool.

 

[Carlybee]

Sorry. All of you who think Ron Paul supporters should switch over to the Libertarian Party have things backwards. The Libertarian Party should merge their efforts with ours in states we have won so that they cannot be retaken by the old guard.

The old leadership is just waiting in the wings (see Nevada shadow party for example) and will try to make sure Ron Paul supporters have a weakened party until they are voted out without Ron Paul to inspire turn out.

We are inspired of course by Ron Paul but thanks to him we are also inspired by Mises and Hayek and Harry Browne and the founders.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

We simply don't have time to grow the movement from the local level up. The police state and currency debasement must stop now or it will be unstoppable.

Trying to start a new party or refurbishing the LP will take even longer. If everyone just shows up to their conventions with an extra person (maybe not even), takeover is ours. One election has never changed anything in a positive direction and, yeah, I get that we're teetering now as a nation. If Ron does get in there will still be major pain in the short term not to mention setting the course for paying off much of the debt and future liabilities. We're on a winning course as evidenced by many conventions in recent memory so why doesn't everyone take a step back and see how things pan out in the coming ones before abandoning ship.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Disruption for disruption sake at convention is a TERRIBLE idea. We get nothing but shut down from that.

QFT

 

[angelatc]

My response to the offical campaign's new attitude and all the people blowing sunshine in their obituary-esque reflections on the campaign's successes is THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ALREADY EXISTS.

Yes, and they're relatively useless except as a protest vote. Our only hope for the long term is to do just what Ron said, and to keep working in the GOP party.

 

[Revolution9]

We are inspired of course by Ron Paul but thanks to him we are also inspired by Mises and Hayek and Harry Browne and the founders.

And we aren't inspired by the Libertarian Party to use YOUR royal "we". Frankly I got along better with the conservative republicans than the Libertarians in 08 when I attended meetups in Atlanta. And mind you, I am a long haired rock and roll metalhead looking sort. They tried to hijack us into their crap and get us to sign up with their party. Now WTF did that have to do with Ron's goal of changing the R party from within? Dick on a stick is all. They also tried hijacking my rock and comedy event I put on for RP. No..you don't get a table to split the vote with. The Libertarians I have dealt with around here were pains in the ass and had no respect for the work i gave them gratis. Thought they could just scribble all over my artwork and get away with it, and then use it after not talking to me to get someone else to do their stuff because I had rules on how my professional output is used. Rules are a bit too much it seems.



Rev9

 

[FSP-Rebel]

My problem with the Libertarian Party types is that when there where crucial state & county conventions going on in their respective places where they could've been delegates for Ron, they were off at the national convention circle jerking their egos. And these are the people you want to shack up with to restore America? riiiiiiight

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

The campaign is probably making the calculation that we can't piss off the establishment because we'll need to work with them later, but I'm just not onboard with that strategy. The establishment is filled with cheaters and thugs and only listen when spoken to in their own language...showing weakness is a mistake. I think a show of force is needed.

+1 million

Middle of the road republicans (who's votes we need if we want our freedom back via the political process) will be much more likely to support a strong, confident liberty movement that knows its cause is righteous and won't back down, rather than playing the crappy "be nice to everybody on the red team, even when we know their policies are horribly wrong and destructive".

If we (Ron Paul, the campaign, and the grassroots) really believe we're right, and our cause is important, than there is zero reason to quit until the final whistle blows.

Also, count me among those pissed at the campaign for saying we need to focus on decorum when 99% of the problem is the asshats from the establishment who can't seem to play by the rules.

 

[angelatc]

My problem with the Libertarian Party types is that when there where crucial state & county conventions going on in their respective places where they could've been delegates for Ron, they were off at the national convention circle jerking their egos. And these are the people you want to shack up with to restore America? riiiiiiight

Yea, if the LP would fold into the GOP, we'd have an even bigger presence in the GOP. The LP's platform is admirable, but ideologues don't win elections. And I say that as an ideologue.

 

[Carlybee]

And we aren't inspired by the Libertarian Party to use YOUR royal "we". Frankly I got along better with the conservative republicans than the Libertarians in 08 when I attended meetups in Atlanta. And mind you, I am a long haired rock and roll metalhead looking sort. They tried to hijack us into their crap and get us to sign up with their party. Now WTF did that have to do with Ron's goal of changing the R party from within? Dick on a stick is all. They also tried hijacking my rock and comedy event I put on for RP. No..you don't get a table to split the vote with. The Libertarians I have dealt with around here were pains in the ass and had no respect for the work i gave them gratis. Thought they could just scribble all over my artwork and get away with it, and then use it after not talking to me to get someone else to do their stuff because I had rules on how my professional output is used. Rules are a bit too much it seems.



Rev9

And where did I say you should be inspired by the LP? I said Im for a new party so either go read my other posts in this thread or chill.

 

[mczerone]

My problem with the Libertarian Party types is that when there where crucial state & county conventions going on in their respective places where they could've been delegates for Ron, they were off at the national convention circle jerking their egos. And these are the people you want to shack up with to restore America? riiiiiiight

I went to our county convention. I was not impressed by either the old guard or the RP contingent. I wish them well, but it's not the place for me. I felt like an outsider to both groups. And really, what is there to look forward to in the GOP outside of Rand gettIng the same treatment from the media and primary voters in '16?

I hear there will be one LP candidate in our area that we be worth voting for, and has the opportunity to win and make great strides for liberty in the position. The state LP convention isn't until 6/2, though, so I don't know if it should be announced yet. Let's just say that this platform for this position wouldn't make the GOP very happy.

 

[ChrisDixon]

Isn't running to the Libertarian Party because the Ron Paul campaign isn't functioning anymore like running to UPN because CBS's programming got worse?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I went to our county convention. I was not impressed by either the old guard or the RP contingent. I wish them well, but it's not the place for me. I felt like an outsider to both groups. And really, what is there to look forward to in the GOP outside of Rand gettIng the same treatment from the media and primary voters in '16?

I hear there will be one LP candidate in our area that we be worth voting for, and has the opportunity to win and make great strides for liberty in the position. The state LP convention isn't until 6/2, though, so I don't know if it should be announced yet. Let's just say that this platform for this position wouldn't make the GOP very happy.

It will be quite different in the states that we have our guys in leadership positions in the GOP. That's why this is so important to do this.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Agreeing with OP.

We simply don't have time to grow the movement from the local level up. The police state and currency debasement must stop now or it will be unstoppable.

I understand how you feel, but people have been thinking that for over 50 years and guess what, we are still here. I don't see why we can't do both. Try like hell to get things stopped NOW and grow the movement from the local level on up. That includes getting our guys in office from dog catcher on up.

Fortunately Benton has zero control over the delegates and I would have no remorse over total disruption at the convention after all the low down, dirty tricks, used against us by the GOP since 2007. There can't be any "deals" made because the campaign cannot control the grassroots.

I'm feeling betrayed by the campaign at this point because Benton is clearly not "in it to win it".

C4L was built with all the "leftover" campaign money from 2008 and in my opinion has been a failure due to the incredibly low voter turnout in its target demographic of 18-24 y.o. during this campaign.

Why do people keep saying this? The vast majority of the leftover money went towards the Rally for the Republic. Some went to YAL and C4L to get them started, but all the rest is from what they have raised, themselves.

As far as how they've done, I dunno, you know a lot of those people across the country who know the parliamentary rules so well? That's because these orgs were putting on training sessions around the country for the last few years! Also, look at what they and Ron have managed to do with the visibility of the Federal Reserve. The C4L led the charge to get the Audit The Fed legislation co-sponsored by a huge number of Dems and Repubs. Yes, we only managed to get a partial audit thus far and we all have to keep pushing, but even the partial audit was more than has been done since the FED was established.

They have been far from perfect, but I personally think they have accomplished a great deal. Especially for a brand new organization. We badly need organizations like these.

 

[LKMN]

Yeah, the LP exists but it was never any where near as successful as we've become here in the GOP. I was a dues paying member of the LP starting when I was 14 yrs old and have spent a decade spinning my wheels. Then when RP came on the national scene last go round I decided to come back to the GOP and have been amazed at how far we've come. Sorry to say, liberty is a lifelong engagement that can't be had at the drop of a hat. Color me a sunshine blower but you can't deny the inroads we've made into taking back the GOP to its roots. Why turn coat and let the old guard have their party back when it is ours for the taking. We'd truly be pissing on everything Dr. Paul has done by not continually throwing our weight back against the establishment here. The party insiders are more feeble than one would think. They're so used to just showing up at conventions and just rubber stamping the agenda that they don't know what to do (other than cheating) when those that know the rules show up and exert their influence. The fact that our state convention is in Detroit is enough to prevent many of the old timers from showing up which bodes well for us. We expect to pull national delegates out of this thing and outrightly control the entire state by the next convention w/i 6 months when the fresh batch of precinct delegates are seated.
Bottom line, we've had our strength in the GOP grow exponentially yet the LP has been regressing for decades. Personally, I owe in to Ron to run these insiders out of the party on a rail.

This. As I've said before, we are seeing a lot of real progress in a lot of states. People are taking us seriously now. It's just hard to see if you live in a non-liberty-friendly area and also if you're looking in from the outside...