Hey Aussies!! - How many of us are here?

[dukker]

i'm australian. My God, there must be what? 6 of us that know who ron paul is! I joined the Sydney meetup group. Too bad nothing has been organised yet.

I voted LDP too. It's going to be a long time before that sort of politics is even going to be mentioned in this country, let alone something like Austrian economics and the gold standard. Look at our constitution and look at how the courts have interpreted federal powers - us Aussies love our government.

Next year I'm hoping to go to the US (first time), and also apply for a Cato internship. I love America, I don't know why. I love American culture like a fetish. Everything is just more kickass over there. If Ron wins the primary by the time I get there I will definately be getting into some of the gen election campaigning for him.
I also want to do every cliched American cultural experience I can think of.

 

[Conza88]

He's moving them to Afghanistan. Kind of like an Obama imo.

As for a socialist - John Howard (given more welfare than any other PM in Australian History) yea thats right. Good way to buy votes. Give Rudd a chance, he ain't screwed up yet. I voted LDP if anyone is wondering. (Labor how to vote put them last) Then independents, tried to get the most balanced vote; so it wldn't count. lol

WOW, I spoke too soon! It took him a day for me to hate him.

Rudd just introduced NWO POLICY! (Tax baby's!) its a life long tax on parents who have more than 2 children, 3rd kid + its $800 each yr for life.

It's POPULATION CONTROL, and a tax on LIFE! - unbelievable.. unfrickenbelievable.
AJones had a few things to say about it on his monday program - check podcats if you have itunes.

unbeliebevable..

 

[Joe3113]

Look at our constitution and look at how the courts have interpreted federal powers - us Aussies love our government.

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[Joe3113]

WOW, I spoke too soon! It took him a day for me to hate him.

Rudd just introduced NWO POLICY! (Tax baby's!) its a life long tax on parents who have more than 2 children, 3rd kid + its $800 each yr for life.

It's POPULATION CONTROL, and a tax on LIFE! - unbelievable.. unfrickenbelievable.
AJones had a few things to say about it on his monday program - check podcats if you have itunes.

unbeliebevable..

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[dukker]

That's because Australia is not the focus of tyrannical globalists and corporations using our government to create wars to achieve their demented philosophical beliefs and consolidate power.

Big government is a legitimate alternate to libertarianism if the government is actually focused on doing the best for the people. Personally I prefer libertarianism but big government can work when it is controlled by caring people rather than corporations and international bankers.

The US is attractive to these tyrants because of the military strength and economic power which they infiltrate and use to achieve their ends.

I don't doubt that there is a greater sense of honesty and integrity in Australian politics than other countries, possibly because of our culture, history and small population.

It's not so much, escape from a tyrianical government intent on keeping power in the upper echolons for greed and personal benefit, but a nanny state dominated by welfare groups, trade unions and a tall poppy syndrome/egalitarian culture that beleives in the use of government to acheive such well intentioned objectives, whether or not you like them or not.

 

[Australia4Paul]

Australia had a great libertarian system during the colonial period -- before Labour parties and federation. We had free banking, after all...!

 

[The_Ruffneck]

WOW, I spoke too soon! It took him a day for me to hate him.

Rudd just introduced NWO POLICY! (Tax baby's!) its a life long tax on parents who have more than 2 children, 3rd kid + its $800 each yr for life.

It's POPULATION CONTROL, and a tax on LIFE! - unbelievable.. unfrickenbelievable.
AJones had a few things to say about it on his monday program - check podcats if you have itunes.

unbeliebevable..

what the hell
so give them $5000 each baby they pop out but charge 800 every year for the 3rd and subsequent?
insanity

 

[kimosabi]

The ATO IS NOT A LEGAL ENTITY BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION

Australia isn't much different to the United States

Below was out of the Aussie Daily Reckoning last week

The average Aussie has no idea that our Constitution is invalid and our Taxation Act has never been gazetted, and thus all commissioners etc are acting illegally.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/solar-energy-dependent-on-cheap-oil/2007/12/20/

After doing some research it turns out the the ATO is not a legal entity and the Deputy Commisioner of Taxation has admitted this in court, see below:

Source plus more ==> http://www.brumbywatchaustralia.com/Principality12.htm

ATO confirms that they know they aren't a legal entity ==> http://www.brumbywatchaustralia.com/Principality40.htm

Local Governments and Rates are illegal ==> http://www.brumbywatchaustralia.com/Principality03.htm

 

[gang]

Big government is a legitimate alternate to libertarianism if the government is actually focused on doing the best for the people.

No, it is not. Big government always and everywhere provokes infringements of inividual right.
And never ever such leaders will be "focused on doing the best for the people", besides their rhetorics.

As David Friedman once said:

In the ideal socialist state, power will not attract power freaks. People who make decision will show no slightest bias towards their own interests. There will be no way for a clever man to bend the institutions to serve his own ends. And the rivers will run uphill.

 

[OzLibertyLover]

West Aussie here

 

[Joe3113]

No, it is not. Big government always and everywhere provokes infringements of inividual right.
And never ever such leaders will be "focused on doing the best for the people", besides their rhetorics.

As David Friedman once said:

In the ideal socialist state, power will not attract power freaks. People who make decision will show no slightest bias towards their own interests. There will be no way for a clever man to bend the institutions to serve his own ends. And the rivers will run uphill.

I love that quote and I realize it would be unlikely a completely trustworthy big socialist government would exist. The other point is that a centralized government cannot make sound decisions for the entire nation. So I guess saying it was a legitimate alternative was giving it too much. I meant it was a legitimate alternative in a perfect world, based purely on the fact that it would be sustainable for some period of time, but the people would not have their freedom and liberty, and so, as far as the individual is concerned, it is not an alternative.

 

[lurker]

Hi, I'm from Sydney, Australia. I voted LDP (http://www.ldp.org.au) for the first time in the last federal election. I had heard about Ron Paul before that. I actually live in John Howard's electorate of Bennelong - I was surprised to see him ousted.

If you check the results for Bennelong though (here: http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-13745-105.htm) you can see that LDP only got 89 votes out of 92700 . You can also see that the next most popular parties are the Greens, and Democrats, who are even more rabid socialists than the Labor Party, and the Christian Democratic Party, who want to enforce how they think people should behave. (I'm Christian, but I think using government power to enforce behaviour is pretty wrong, the same as what Ron Paul thinks).

I think Australia is heading towards what the UK is - more socialist, more welfare, constantly higher taxes, even with the Liberal Party (Australia's so-called right-wing conservative party). Our Labor Party is the left-wing party and is even worse. The State governments are part of the problem too (they are all Labor Governments), for example, with the introduction of the GST (Goods and Services Tax) many years ago, the State governments promised to remove several taxes which haven't been done, and likely won't be.

It's sickening to see all the billions in dollars of vote-buying every election season. A better policy would be to lower taxes across-the-board for everyone and be done with it, but no, instead they give money to targeted focus groups.

They dangle offers of income tax reductions to the voters every election season, but neglect to mention that with CPI increases, the effect of the income tax reform is negated. Wonder why they never tie the income tax brackets to CPI increases?


What do you guys think of this article?

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/universal-suffrage/2007/11/23/

I liked the quote in the article: "The way voting works today is a fraud. It’s just people voting themselves money."

 

[Conza88]

Watch the ____ out. Labor is going to have the house of reps, senate and ALL states as labor in power. God help us all.

 

[coblin]

I'm from Victoria, and I'm turning 18 this year, so I could not get a chance to vote for the LDP.

 

[Conza88]

Well.. the LDP's party's position is pro-Iraq! >:|
man.. we need Ron Paul.

 

[Uprising]

Well.. the LDP's party's position is pro-Iraq! >:|
man.. we need Ron Paul.

Yes maybe if America don't elect Ron Paul for president we could borrow him

 

[rp08orbust]

+1

(As in, add one to your total.)

Permanent resident here, but US citizen.

 

[Red Dingo]

Another Aussie fanatical Ron Paul supporter here - from the glorious Sutherland Shire here in Sydney!!!!
I can not stop watching Ron Paul and related videos (youtube and google). I visit these forums so many times a day too!!!
I wish we had some kind of constitution as good as the U.S.s' - though, the U.S. can keep there gun laws (2nd ammendment?). We'll be fine without them!!!!

Ron Paul is the hope for the world; the greatest chance at getting some kind of world peace - at least relative to the last horrendous 100 years

I want to stand up a little for John Howard here - and Tony Blaire. I feel sorry for them both because we were and are in a situation where we are hamstrung by the U.S.s' foreign policy (although I could call it alien policy cause it sure is from another world - and not a good one at that).

I felt Howard and Blair HAD to tag along with Bush - like U.S. has been the world bully and if you don't comply or appease the bully, you will suffer consequences e.g. less trade, and in the worst case (with Middle Eastern countries), get bombed and killed over lies for oil and money and power.

Ron Paul is a world patriot. He is what a human being ought to be.

This is what Bush and Dems and the so called Christian people in those parties have forgotten: LOVE YOUR ENEMIES and treat them as you would want to be treated. I mean, Ron Paul acknowledges and speaks respectfully of all the other candidates where they mock and jeer and laugh. Just imagine how they would view other countries that they consider to be enemies.
I wish damn Anne Coulter would be shaken in her boots to love here enemies. I was shocked when she said she was a Christian and then I heard all this vomit come out of her mouth which she was hurling up all over the democrats. No love for her enemies there. Just hate and ridicule.
Sorry to ramble.

I wish we could do some here in Australia to alert the media to Ron Paul because he is unknown here due to the media blackout on him over there.

 

[Red Dingo]

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[Red Dingo]

Triple post!

I also want to say that I love the Ron Paul supporters. I am sorry that you are being smeared and grouped with fringe elements within the supporters.

We know you guys are so smart and caring and prepared to stand up for something that is truly and deeply good - at a cost too.

You are heroes too. You are true patriots. Not the journalists yelling at American audiences that we need to go and do more war and kill more Americans and lose more civil liberties. You are heroes RP supporters.

Wish I could socialize with you guys!