Charlie Kirk getting destroyed in debates

[PAF]

If the GOP was serious political party, it would have already proposed such legislation.

But the GOP is a serious political party, just like the DNC. Therein lies the problem; government by its very nature is force, and at times when it's advantageous will toss little bones here and there to keep you coming back for more.

What you seek is voluntary libertarianism. But as long as people are swayed by either side, and continue to mock us, then sure, it will never happen.

So, take your spankings and be happy about it.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't feel any need to side with Kirk on anything.

But I also see another way of looking at his getting destroyed in debates. I admire that he entered that arena of debating with hostile audiences and every time he did, he took on the risk of getting embarrassed by someone more knowledgeable than him on some topic he had to speak extemporaneously about. Good for him for doing that. I would also admire anyone else who did that, even if they said offensive things about beliefs and people I hold dear (which Kirk himself probably did sometimes). I think this kind of thing should be encouraged more. And when people want to counter his message, they should enter the same arena and do it the same way.

Oh I agree. You know who else would agree with that? Ultra liberal Obama lieutenant Van Jones.

 

[Madison320]

And yet Donald Trump has interfered with private corporations efforts at diversity. Are you okay with that?

Of course not.

As long as we're not talking about the DEI score thing. From what I understand companies get government funding if they have a higher DEI score.

 

[jmdrake]

If there is an actual shortage then they will already hire who they need to hire, they don't need a DEI policy to do that.

There is an actual shortage and the shortage is worldwide and (I know that is hard for you to wrap your brain around) but you can't fix a worldwide shortage just by hiring people from the already existing pool of pilots. You have to recruit MORE pilots and you most likely need to recruit pilots from groups that don't traditionally become pilots.

If the Tuskegee was created out of pressure from black leaders, instead of an actual need for pilots, then they shouldn't have done that.

The United Airlines program was not created by "pressure from black leaders." It was created out of an actual need for pilots.

Doing so is a waste of time and money.

That's your ignorant opinion.

If you want to quote fictional works I'm gonna start quoting the Hobbit

Okay. Thank you for letting me know you aren't Christian. Most Republicans are though (including @Anti Federalist) and so this part of my argument is aimed at them. That said your "fiction" argument is pretty stupid in that nobody can deny the early Christian church actually existed and created an office of deacons even if you believe that Jesus Christ didn't exist.

You know, if they had hired the best available pilots for the tuskegee, instead of the best available blacks (which probably werent that good), maybe my grandpappys brother would not have been killed by the nazis

Was your grandpappy's brother on a bomber crew? If so what date did his plane get shot down?

the tuskagee were supposed to save him but instead the pilot crashed his plane into a tree. Very sad.

Yeah...you're just making shyt up to be funny. The joke is stale.

If you were getting surgery on your brain would you want the best available surgeon, or the best available female surgeon???

If I was getting brain surgery this is who I would want for a surgeon.

But I guess you'll make up some story about him crashing into a tree.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So....you know that you didn't actually address a damn thing I said right? Okay. I'll take that to mean you're unable to refute my points. Thank you for your concession speech.

Yes I did.

Your contention was that blacks and women played major active US combat roles in WWII.

That's false.

 

[Madison320]

The whole thing in toto needs to be repealed, but Title VIII "The Fair Housing Act" is specifically what forces "diversity".

Repeal Hart - Celler while we're at it.

If the GOP was serious political party, it would have already proposed such legislation.

The main part I object to is the anti-discrimination of private businesses part in the civil rights act.

 

[PAF]

If I was getting brain surgery this is who I would want for a surgeon.

Not me. He would probably stick something into my brain to make me anti guns.

I'll take the smoking hot and brilliant chick, even @TheTexan would agree with me on that

 

[jmdrake]

Of course not.

As long as we're not talking about the DEI score thing. From what I understand companies get government funding if they have a higher DEI score.

Trump's anti-DEI executive order doesn't say anything about DEI scores and government funding. What it DOES say is that his administration would launch investigations into private and non profit corporations' DEI practices.

Ending Illegal Discrimination And Restoring Merit-Based Opportunity

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:Section 1. Purpose.

www.whitehouse.gov

A plan of specific steps or measures to deter DEI programs or principles (whether specifically denominated “DEI” or otherwise) that constitute illegal discrimination or preferences. As a part of this plan, each agency shall identify up to nine potential civil compliance investigations of publicly traded corporations, large non-profit corporations or associations, foundations with assets of 500 million dollars or more, State and local bar and medical associations, and institutions of higher education with endowments over 1 billion dollars;

 

[TheTexan]

There is an actual shortage and the shortage is worldwide and (I know that is hard for you to wrap your brain around) but you can't fix a worldwide shortage just by hiring people from the already existing pool of pilots. You have to recruit MORE pilots and you most likely need to recruit pilots from groups that don't traditionally become pilots.

I don't have a problem with recruiting outreach with coloreds.

My problem is measuring the success of such outreach by metrics based on racial equity.

If it makes sense to do recruiting outreach to coloreds, then by all means do it, but the success should be measured based on cost efficiency and the quality of the hires that result at the end of the recruiting pipeline.

When the success is measured by "how many blacks are hired", then that invariably does result in a lower overall quality of the workforce.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes I did.

Your contention was that blacks and women played major active US combat roles in WWII.

That's false.

Actually that's a dishonest straw man argument on your part. I didn't say anything about the overall numbers of white vs black troops. I talked about the well documented contribution of the Tuskegee Airmen in escorting bomber pilot formations to Berlin. That said, blacks were about 10% of the armed forces in WW 2 which was also our percentage of the U.S. population at the time. Racists love to talk about "muh ratios" until they don't and then they want to talk about raw numbers.

 

[TheTexan]

Actually that's a dishonest straw man argument on your part. I didn't say anything about the overall numbers of white vs black troops. I talked about the well documented contribution of the Tuskegee Airmen in escorting bomber pilot formations to Berlin.

I let my retarded nephew shoot at vermin sometimes. I praise him for his contributions.

But he's not very good at it

 

[jmdrake]

I don't have a problem with recruiting outreach with coloreds.

My problem is measuring the success of such outreach by metrics based on racial equity.

If it makes sense to do recruiting outreach to coloreds, then by all means do it, but the success should be measured based on cost efficiency and the quality of the hires that result at the end of the recruiting pipeline.

When the success is measured by "how many blacks are hired", then that invariably does result in a lower overall quality of the workforce.

I know in Texas people might not be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, but for the rest of the world meeting more than one goal at the same time isn't a problem. Take your boy Trump. He wants to prop up lower tier colleges and universities and kiss up to the Chinese communists at the same time. Mission accomplished.

 

[jmdrake]

I let my retarded nephew shoot at vermin sometimes. I praise him for his contributions.

But he's not very good at it

Well so far he's missed you so yeah....he's a bad shot.

 

[PAF]

Well so far he's missed you so yeah....he's a bad shot.

Nothing against either of you, but that was very well played

 

[Brian4Liberty]

1) Didn't know that "black only dorms" actually allowed anybody, black, white or other, to live there.

Of course. How stupid could he be? It's self evident that "black only dorms" allow anybody.

 

[Occam's Banana]

If you want to quote fictional works I'm gonna start quoting the Hobbit

Are you trying to imply The Hobbit is a work of fiction?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Of course. How stupid could he be? It's self evident that "black only dorms" allow anybody.

Via Grok:

Overview

Yes, several U.S. colleges and universities offer affinity housing programs designed to center Black or African American experiences, often described as "Black Affinity Housing" or themed communities. These are typically optional living arrangements (e.g., floors or halls within larger dorms) intended to foster community, cultural celebration, and support for Black students at predominantly white institutions (PWIs). They are framed as voluntary "safe spaces" to address feelings of isolation, microaggressions, or underrepresentation, rather than mandatory segregation.

However, these programs are not strictly "Black only" in a legal or exclusive sense—federal civil rights laws (e.g., Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964) prohibit race-based discrimination in federally funded institutions, so universities explicitly state that the housing is open to any student interested in the theme, regardless of race. In practice, they attract primarily Black students due to the cultural focus, leading critics to label them as de facto segregated or "neo-segregation." Supporters argue they promote retention and wellness without excluding others. These programs have proliferated since the 2010s, often in response to student activism following events like the George Floyd protests.

Examples of Colleges with Such Programs

Below is a table summarizing key examples based on current or recent implementations. All are optional and integrated into broader campus housing.

Institution	Program Name/Description	Key Details	Launch Year
Western Washington University (WWU)	Black Affinity Housing (4th floor of Alma Clark Glass Hall, named for the university's first Black student)	Space for ~40 students; focuses on celebrating Black culture, wellness, and academic support. Open to all committed to the theme.	2021
University of Washington (UW)	Black Affinity Housing (8th floor of Lander Hall)	Accommodates ~125 students; emphasizes Black culture and scholarship. Voluntary opt-in for connection and events.	2024
American University	Roper Hall / Sankofa House	Themed community for exploring Black culture, history, and diaspora; includes group events and peer support. Open to all undergraduates.	2020
Oregon State University	Nia Black Scholar Living-Learning Community	Centers Black and African diaspora experiences; connects to Black Cultural Center for resources and events. Open to students interested in racial identity exploration.	Ongoing (expanded in recent years)
University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC)	Rosa Parks African American Theme House (RPAATH) / Shabazz House	Student-initiated spaces at Stevenson and Oakes Colleges; focuses on African, Black, and Caribbean (ABC) issues. Supplemental application required; open to any affiliation.	2018 (expanded 2019)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)	Chocolate City (New House dorm)	Self-identified "brotherhood" for students sharing urban/Black cultural backgrounds; voluntary dorm selection. Defended as "positive selection," not exclusionary.	Ongoing (roots in 1970s)
Stanford University	Black House / African American Theme Dorm	Part of broader affinity options; celebrates Black history and community. Consulted by other schools for models.	Ongoing
Cornell University	Akwe:kon Residential Initiative (with Black focus elements)	Includes Black-themed spaces within multicultural housing; promotes cultural dialogue. Open to all.	Ongoing
New York University (NYU)	Proposed Black Student Housing (via Black Violets task force)	Student demand for Black-identifying floors with Black RAs; university in discussions but emphasizes inclusivity. Not yet fully implemented as exclusive.	2020 (petition; partial rollout)

Context and Controversy

• Rationale: Proponents cite research showing higher retention rates for minority students in affinity spaces (e.g., at PWIs where Black students are <10% of enrollment). Events include cultural programming, faculty connections, and wellness support.
• Criticism: Outlets like National Review and Forbes call it "resegregation," arguing it undermines integration goals from Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and fosters division. During a 2023 congressional hearing, Rep. Burgess Owens (R-UT) pressed MIT's president on whether it equates to segregation, highlighting hypocrisy if reversed for white students.
• Prevalence: At least 20+ institutions have similar programs (e.g., University of Pennsylvania's W.E.B. Du Bois House, Cal State LA's 2016 initiative). Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) like Howard or Spelman are inherently Black-focused but admit all races and aren't "dorms" in the same way.
• Legality: As long as non-Black students can apply and aren't rejected based on race, it's permissible (similar to LGBTQ+ or honors housing). No major lawsuits have overturned them yet.

These programs continue to expand, with ongoing debates in student papers and media. If you're asking about a specific region or type (e.g., public vs. private), more details could narrow it down.), more details could narrow it down.

 

[TheTexan]

Are you trying to imply The Hobbit is a work of fiction?

I think it's a mix of truth and metaphors, and much like the bible it has some good life lessons:

"“There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”



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[jmdrake]

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[Brian4Liberty]

He didn't get destroyed. The only way he got "destroyed" is if someone (e.g., jm) likes to pretend that DEI is magic and fairy tales and creates diversity out of thin air without consequences.

Yeah, I watched the first 8 minutes or so. Charlie Kirk was not destroyed, he was actually winning the debate.