Herman Cain Calls For Third Party | No Ron Paul Supporters Allowed (WTF?)

[Napolitanic Wars]

 

[Occam's Banana]

You want astroturf. Herman Cain has astroturf. Hell, he'll sell you an astroturf pizza to choke on.

And when the FRN falls below the value of a 1913 penny (aka 'goes the way of the dodo'), they'll be right there with a wonderful new world fiat currency for you, too. Of course, it will also be a fiat currency that will shrink like wool in a hot dryer. But they'll say it has some vague connection to gold. Hell, they might even emboss the seal on each bill with 0.00000001 oz. of genuine 14k gold leaf.

Could be. Like I said, they're talking about the death of the Republican party and its replacement by something else. Not necessarily a *better* something else (let alone a *good* something else). Just .... something else. (The Republicans are what we ended up with when the Whigs went away, after all - not exactly a bargain, I would say.)

However, it *will* have to involve something more than a mere "rebranding" (i.e., putting the same old schlock in a gaudier package) - otherwise, they'll just be putting themselves right back in the same situation they're in now.

 

[supermario21]

Look, if these fake conservatives want to leave the party, don't let the door hit them on the way out. It's our party now.

 

[TheTexan]

Life can be a challenge, life can seem impossible, but it's never easy when there's so much on the line. True story.

 

[Odin]

The arrogance here makes me laugh.

The people wholeheartedly rejected fiscal conservatives on Tuesday. That means Ron Paul's ideas. Romney was no fiscal conservative but he was far more than Obama was.

The Republican party is, and always has been, a party of coalition. We must bring together people who don't agree on everything and work on the issues we can solve together. What I see here on this board is some in the Ron Paul (who is done with politics btw) movement expecting to get elected by magical unicorns. The election proved that Paul was rejected by Independents, Republicans, and most of all Democrats. Now we're concocting some scheme to take over the nomination of the same party that some in the movement are actively rejecting! How is that expected to work? "Hey, we won't stand with you at all but you should come over here and support us." They'll reject us like we rejected them.

If the Paul movement breaks off the Republican party they're done. 100% not electable. We would get crushed by the two big parties.

Herman Cain didn't say "we don't need Ron Paul people" as so many here assume. He said that the Ron Paul movement wasn't the viable vehicle to a third party. The Paul movement is built on identity. If, god forbid, Ron Paul were to die that would be the end. He's calling for something bigger. He didn't say he won't accept Paul people, he said we need to form a BROADER coalition. To be honest I don't know how many in the Paul movement expect to become mainstream if they refuse to participate in coalitions. Why are Obama and the dems getting elected? They come together as a coalition first then have the fights over policy once they're in.

We're never getting anywhere if we refuse to elect anyone who doesn't agree with all of use 100%. To that end: we aren't 100% right, nobody is.

Are you Herman Cain?

The part I bolded sounds just like something Herman Cain would say lol. I actually read it in my Herman Cain voice.

 

[AGRP]

Are you Herman Cain?

The part I bolded sounds just like something Herman Cain would say lol. I actually read it in my Herman Cain voice.

Holy crap! Now that you mention it, the entire thing reads like it was written by him! LOL!

 

[Occam's Banana]

To that end: we aren't 100% right, nobody is.

I've always been baffled by people who make assertions like this. I've never quite been able to fathom what they imagine they mean by it.

I also notice that you speak in little other than vague, hand-waving generalities and sneering, contemptuous remarks directed at people with whom you disagree.

And then you have the gall to yap about the need to work with people you disagree with?

You do nothing more than make a string of flat assertions, without even making a token attempt to support them with evidence or reasoned argument.

The people wholeheartedly [blah blah blah]

The Republican party is, and always has been, [yada yada yada]

The election proved [blah blah blah]

We must [do yada yada yada]

We're never getting anywhere if [blah blah blah]

In my experience, this is utterly typical of mealy-mouthed types who blather about nobody being "100% right" about anything.

Apparently, they - and you - mean "nobody is 100% right - except me."

You are not the slightest bit different from anyone you are wagging your finger at.

In fact, you are even worse. You are a hypocrite.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Here's a coalition, a coalition that Cain wouldn't agree as a viable vehicle to a third party. Screw Cain.

http://www.dailypaul.com/61153/we-agree-paul-baldwin-mckinney-nader-statement

We Agree

Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.

 

[Deborah K]

Anything that helps diminish the corrupted power of the two major parties is fine by me. Let him siphon off his supporters from the GOP.

 

[Deborah K]

 

[CPUd]

LOL Repeal and replace the GOP

 

[pochy1776]

Perfect. He can split off the war-mongering, keynesian, bedroom police and what is left over will be GREAT!

As a fellow bedroom officer, i fear we will become Reason TV libertines. Will we ever get the government out of marriage?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

 

[FrankRep]

 

[Carson]

They created their own third party out of the Republican party...and yes it was no Ron Paulians allowed.

He made his bed. Now lets hear him lie in it.



A new first party may have also been born out of the ashes. Only time will tell for sure.


One thing for sure is finding a New First Party is what has been on everyone's lips and floating on the breeze.

 

[liberty2897]

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Herman Cain is stupid.

 

[twomp]

LoL poor Herman Cain. The name of that video is "Ron Paul Schools Herman Cain" but it sure looks like he didn't understand a single word Dr. Paul said.

 

[headhawg7]

Can I go out on a conspiracy limb here?

I suspect that the third party/other votes were majorly suppressed by Diebold. Wouldn;t it make sense if TPTB sees that third parties are inevitably going to become a major force, they want to use this tool to create/control it?

This was the first thing that caught my attention. Take over the movement and slowly steer it back to one side or the other or completely infiltrate so it doesn't really matter. You think you are voting for a third party candidate who is not tied to the same masters yet you find out it is just another extension of the large government party.

 

[rpfocus]

This guy is a true nutcase. No wonder the Tea Party loved him.