Helping Code Pink "More Proof Ron Paul Supporters Are Not Conservative"

[RickyJ]

Doesn't it feel good to absolutely not give a damn what the freepers' twisted little minds make of our actions?

Last I heard they were not going to support Romney under any circumstances, at least that is what the owner of the place Jim Robinson said. Did he change his mind, are they now supporting Romney?

 

[LibertyEagle]

lol

 

[FrankRep]

lol

+rep

Thanks for adding reputation to this user.

 

[pcosmar]

lol

Yeah,, that's not true.. If you were only interested in Winning you would be working for Obama.

The GOP is good at losing all on their own.

 

[angelatc]

OMG - how dare you be interested in winning elections.

 

[fr33]

It seems pretty clear to me. In politics, perception is everything. And Republicans, rightly or wrongly, see themselves as being for the Constitution, states' rights, liberty and all the rest. (stop laughing) They see liberals as those people who want big government, more and more handouts and are fine with our country being taken over by the new version of Communism. Which in their mind are the evil islamofascists (sic). They see groups like Code Pink as being a liberal group promoting those concepts and will consider anyone who aligns themselves with such groups as being liberal too.

As long as we are trying to get our liberty candidates elected to office through the Republican Party, our candidates have to appeal to Republicans in order to win their primaries.

If we want to be helpful in getting our guys elected, it's probably not a good idea to associate the liberty movement with known liberal groups.

You are listing the reasons why clinging to the Republican party like beaten wife is a bad idea. You just do not realize it.

For most of us that are anti-war, you have understand why we are anti-war. This is a moral issue and I (many of us) WILL NOT be quiet about it. It is not acceptable to be pro war. And for that reason I do not belong in the Republican party. The speech McCain gave during the RNC represented the opinions of most Republicans I know, except for our irate minority. He listed off multiple genocides he hopes to accomplish before he dies and sounded like he'd haunt the GOP when he does die to make sure it continues. When McCain was the nominee, foreign policy was considered his strong point by republican voters. This is not the party for me. Ron Paul is an anomaly.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You are listing the reasons why clinging to the Republican party like beaten wife is a bad idea. You just do not realize it.

For most of us that are anti-war, you have understand why we are anti-war. This is a moral issue and I (many of us) WILL NOT be quiet about it. It is not acceptable to be pro war. And for that reason I do not belong in the Republican party. The speech McCain gave during the RNC represented the opinions of most Republicans I know, except for our irate minority. He listed off multiple genocides he hopes to accomplish before he dies and sounded like he'd haunt the GOP when he does die to make sure it continues. When McCain was the nominee, foreign policy was considered his strong point by republican voters. This is not the party for me. Ron Paul is an anomaly.

Where did I say anything at all about keeping quiet about our stance of not fighting wars of aggression? Because I never said that.

And I am not "clinging" to the Republican Party at all. I just want to keep getting liberty candidates elected. All the party has ever been is a mechanism to do that. If you think you have a better idea, what is it?

 

[fr33]

Where did I say anything at all about keeping quiet about our stance of not fighting wars of aggression?

I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying.

Your post was about perception. I support Code Pink's efforts against the wars. Maybe the organization is bad but the individuals putting themselves in the wolves den are awesome and I support them. Like you said Republicans won't accept these actions.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Your post was about perception. I support Code Pink's efforts against the wars. Maybe the organization is bad but the individuals putting themselves in the wolves den are awesome and I support them. Like you said Republicans won't accept these actions.

You do realize that it is possible to be against the wars without buddying up to Code Pink, right?

 

[fr33]

This woman has more moral integrity in her little finger than any one of those Israel-firsters in that room:

 

[Occam's Banana]

Membership affiliation matters when you fund goals counter productive to your beliefs. Would you become a member of the Nazi party? What if we all agreed that we would join the Nazi party and change it to represent individual liberty? Would you further the Nazi party goals until your group was big enough to co-opt it and make it a force for good? Whether you like it or not that is what those of you who make it a conditional requirement to join the GOP or work to further the GOP are asking of some people. Walk a mile in another man's moccasins before casting judgement upon them.

Wow. Just wow. You all but explicitly accuse a group of people you disagree with of being the moral equivalent of Nazi collaborators - and then wag your finger at them about "casting judgement upon" other people.

Just ... wow.

 

[Pisces]

You do realize that it is possible to be against the wars without buddying up to Code Pink, right?

You sellout! I bet now you're going to tell us we don't have to dress up like giant vaginas to show that we're anti-war. /s

 

[WhistlinDave]

Hasn't everyone gotten the memo?

It's conservative to murder women and children by remote control.

Apparently Obama is one hell of a great Conservative these days.

 

[fr33]

Apparently Obama is one hell of a great Conservative these days.

Technically he is. Conservatives cling to the status quo. Both parties want war and imperialism. The Ron Paul movement is popular because it represents a libertarian movement.

I understand clinging to the term conservative because we can on fiscall topics; but the fact is we can't claim conservative when it comes to foreign policy. The knuckle-dragging conservatives have owned the warfare state. Try and convince McCain he was in Viet-Nam for bad reasons. Go on, try it.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Just more proof that to most Republicans, being "conservative" doesn't mean adherence to a coherent set of small-government principles, it just means that you hate all the correct people and groups.

That is actually a very insightful way of putting it. It takes only an instant of reflection and I see that yes, shared hatred is indeed the strongest thing tying "conservatives" together.

The same thing is true about "liberals".

When people of like political mind have conversations, they commiserate about the various dastardly deeds the other side has done. That's the most common subject of conversation.

In fact, the same thing is true of us as well! Go to a Ron Paul meetup and everyone will want to talk about the latest low-down way the MSM or establishment is cheating and ripping us off, or grossly violating rights, or etc. etc.

So maybe politics is really all about joining together in shared hatred.

 

[moostraks]

Wow. Just wow. You all but explicitly accuse a group of people you disagree with of being the moral equivalent of Nazi collaborators - and then wag your finger at them about "casting judgement upon" other people.

Just ... wow.

Wow...just wow you are being ignorant. It was a matter of making a correlation between something most people find so morally repugnant they would not want to associate with it because they cannot seem to be able to grasp the reaction of those who do not want to associate with the republican party because of how heinous they view the republican partiy's behavior. Stop being so paranoid. I did not say the republican party was the nazi party. Major reading comprehension fail...

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Y'all, I was actually there as a delegate.

Those Code Pink assholes had GREEN CREDENTIALS. Green credentials = PRESS.

The media set that stunt up. Not Ron Paul supporters.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Technically he is. Conservatives cling to the status quo. Both parties want war and imperialism. The Ron Paul movement is popular because it represents a libertarian movement.

Maybe to some, but not to others. The principles Dr. Paul holds, with few exceptions, are the very same that traditional conservatives used to hold. Some still do.

I understand clinging to the term conservative because we can on fiscall topics; but the fact is we can't claim conservative when it comes to foreign policy.
The knuckle-dragging conservatives have owned the warfare state.

That's not true at all. Ron Paul has talked about it many times, or Jack Hunter covered it pretty fully in his speech at Ron's Rally. You may want to go listen to it on CSPAN.

Try and convince McCain he was in Viet-Nam for bad reasons. Go on, try it.

McCain is not now, nor has he ever been a conservative.

Remember that there are different factions in the Republican Party.

 

[moostraks]

We share a great deal in common with rank-and-file Republicans, actually. Which is why so many of them receive Rand Paul and Thomas Massie so well. The biggest issue is that they don't realize that they are not walking their talk. I credit FOX news with most of that, because FOX has done everything they could to create an irrational fear of Muslims. They're coming around though. Slowly, but surely...

Some folks here share much in common with rank and file Democrats. Freedom is popular. Your attitude that everyone must behave so as not to step on Republican toes is demanding that your pov takes precedence. Your disgust and shaming of anyone who doesn't support your position is frustrating later dialogue when you might need help. The Republican RP supporters are going to have to find a way to seperate themselves from those who are on the the other side of the aisle without making such a ridiculous production in places like RP forums where there is a broad spectrum of RP supporters. Since the teaparty is an accepted name in Republican circles maybe associating with that label is more beneficial? Just tossing around some ideas...We have to get past the labels here if this forum is going to be productive at all and learn to live our beliefs of liberty for all not just those that resemble our own personal lifestyle choices.Easier said than done.

 

[moostraks]

Y'all, I was actually there as a delegate.

Those Code Pink assholes had GREEN CREDENTIALS. Green credentials = PRESS.

The media set that stunt up. Not Ron Paul supporters.

Now that doesn't surprise me at all. It sure is working wonders at causing strife here.