Help with Israel question

[QuickZ06]

Looking to counter this guy. Not sure where I should start or even if any of this is actually factual. Any help is appreciated.

Typical paulie, gets his info from anti semetic websites, expects to come here and use it as a tool to promote de fuhrer

For starters, we have yet to receive an answer for any of questions we have had from any of you paulies. It's as if we're dealing with brainless idiots, that can't think on their own.

I'll try this again, although I already know that you don't possess the brain cells to absorb the following. You are only capable like all other paulies of repeating what your bigoted racist savior tells you.

Just for our forum anti semites, hope you choke on the truth.

The argument that American military aid to Israel is damaging to the United States is not only erroneous, it hurts the national security interests of this country and threatens the survival of Israel.

US support for Israel is essential, not only for Israel’s national security, but for America’s. Every bit of that support – and more – withstands all reasonable scrutiny.

Under the 2010 US budget, about $75 billion, $65 billion and $3.25 billion will be spent on military operations and aid in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan during this fiscal year, respectively. Israel will receive $3 billion, in military aid only. There is no economic aid to Israel, other than loan guarantees that continue to be repaid in full and on time.

There isn’t enough space here to discuss the relative merits of the expenditures in these other countries, but we already know the critically important return the US gets for helping its oldest, most trusted ally in the strategically important Middle East – the most powerful military force in that region, the pro-US, pro-West and democratic Jewish state of Israel.

Here’s how.

FIRST, IT’S important to remember that about 70 percent of the $3 billion aid must be used by Israel to purchase American military equipment. This provides real support for US high- tech defense jobs and contributes to maintaining our industrial base. This helps the US stay at the very top in the manufacturing of our own cutting-edge military munitions, aircraft, vehicles, missiles and virtually every defensive and offensive weapon in the US arsenal – with the added contribution of Israel’s renowned technical know-how.

Second, the US and Israel are jointly developing state- of-the-art missile defense capabilities in the David’s Sling and Arrow 3 systems. These two technologies build on the already successful Arrow 2, jointly developed by our two countries, which is already providing missile defense security to Israel and US civilians and ground troops throughout the region. The knowledge the US gains from these efforts also has a positive multiplier effect on applications to other US military and non-military uses and US jobs.

Third, given Israel’s strategic location on the Mediterranean, with access to the Red Sea and other vital international shipping and military lanes of commerce and traffic, it is critically important to the US that Israel continues to serve as a port of call for our troops, ships, aircraft and intelligence operations.

Israel also has permitted the US to stockpile arms, fuel, munitions and other supplies on its soil to be accessed whenever America needs them in the region.

Fourth, America’s special relationship with Israel provides the US with real-time, minute-to-minute access to one of the best intelligence services in the world: Israel’s. With Israeli agents gathering intelligence and taking action throughout the Middle East and, literally, around the world, regarding al- Qaida, Hizbullah, Iran and Hamas, among others, the US receives invaluable information about anti-US and terrorist organizations and regimes.

Fifth, imagine the additional terrible cost in US blood, and the hundreds of billions more of American taxpayer dollars, if Saddam Hussein had developed nuclear weapons, or if Syria possessed them.

Then remember that it was Israel that destroyed the almost-completed nuclear reactor at Osirak, Iraq, in 1981 and Syria’s nuclear facility under construction at Deir-ez-Zor in 2007.

And think about the many operations that Israel’s Defense Forces and intelligence agents have undertaken to foil, slow and disrupt Iran’s efforts to develop a nuclear weapons capability. A nuclear-armed Iran would threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans in the region, all of Iran’s Arab neighbors, the world’s largest oil supplies and those who rely on that oil. It also would provide anti-US terrorists with access to the most lethal Iranian technology and probably set off a nuclear arms race in the region.

FOR ABOUT two percent of what the US spends in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan this year, Americans can take pride in the return on our investment in aid to Israel.

And with Israel’s truly invaluable assistance to America’s vital national security, we can take comfort that – in actions seen in Tehran and Damascus and noticed by al-Qaida and other anti-US terrorists everywhere – the US is safer and made more secure because of the mutually dependent and beneficial relationship between the US and Israel.

 

[thoughtomator]

For starters, how about all this money we give to Saudi Arabia, much of which goes directly to fund "terrorist" organizations? We give more money to Israel's enemies

 

[guysenjem]

Point by point:

FIRST: We are supposed to believe the mental gymnastics that giving our money away to Israel is good because they are buying American military products with it. Would a store that gave away money so people could buy their products stay in business long? Of course not. Common sense. No need to discuss this point further.

SECOND: The idea that the U.S. needs technology aid from Israel is laughable. If anything the U.S. risks their technology getting stolen and sold to China or Russia as has happened so often with Israel in the past. Once again a complete joke.

THIRD: Ah, the U.S. doesn't have troops in Israel. Our bases are on Arab land - we don't need them either. Israel won't let single American nuclear inspector in their country let alone troops. They also only give us false information that leads to disaster such as the WMD lie and many many others.

FOURTH: So we are supposed to believe that we have access to Israeli intelligence services? LOL. The only information they give us to deceive us into stupid decisions in their interest not ours. This is the same country that continually spies on our intelligence and sells our secrets to foreign nations. The same intelligence that false flags
all the time and most recently with pretending to be CIA agents inciting terrorism. Our intelligence services must remain sovereign for obvious reasons.

FIFTH: the number one motive for any Arab country to get nuclear weapons is to defend itself against the constant threat of Israel and their Zionists threats. Israel has
nuclear weapons therefore the rest of the region who is constantly threatened by Israel wants them. The best solution would be for a nuclear free Middle East. That
means we should put pressure on Israel to get rid of their nukes and to allow inspections just like every other nation. If we are so worried about the Middle East then lets
start with the biggest violator. Otherwise, lets keep our nose out of it.

If Syria or Saddam Hussein (who had no WMDs) did have nuclear weapons in fairytale land, then Israel would be threatened, but not the U.S. . That is if the U.S. wasn't
funding and supporting Israel. Therefore, it is of no concern of ours anymore than it is a concern of ours if Pakistan has nukes and may use them against India. Israel is
not special in most Americans hearts hate to break it to you. Wipe your tears away. American is fundamentally a Christian nation and/or a religious freedom nation. If
anything we despise those who make war based on their extreme religious views such as Zionism.

?The whole arguement of "we taking your money for your own good" is incredibly offensive. How about if we take your money for our good instead? In short, screw Israel
and your money and power hungry selves. You can't have my money whether you think its for our own good or not.

 

[ExPatPaki]

For starters, how about all this money we give to Saudi Arabia, much of which goes directly to fund "terrorist" organizations? We give more money to Israel's enemies

Bullshit. The terrorist organizations that Saudi Arabia funds don't attack Israelis, they attack Shia and other moderate Sunni Muslims in Iran and Pakistan.

 

[Dsylexic]

ron paul is not opposed to sharing military intelligence with israel.

israel destroyed the iraqi reactor.well,ron paul supported their sovereign right to do so.

 

[QuickZ06]

Point by point:

FIRST: We are supposed to believe the mental gymnastics that giving our money away to Israel is good because they are buying American military products with it. Would a store that gave away money so people could buy their products stay in business long? Of course not. Common sense. No need to discuss this point further.

SECOND: The idea that the U.S. needs technology aid from Israel is laughable. If anything the U.S. risks their technology getting stolen and sold to China or Russia as has happened so often with Israel in the past. Once again a complete joke.

THIRD: Ah, the U.S. doesn't have troops in Israel. Our bases are on Arab land - we don't need them either. Israel won't let single American nuclear inspector in their country let alone troops. They also only give us false information that leads to disaster such as the WMD lie and many many others.

FOURTH: So we are supposed to believe that we have access to Israeli intelligence services? LOL. The only information they give us to deceive us into stupid decisions in their interest not ours. This is the same country that continually spies on our intelligence and sells our secrets to foreign nations. The same intelligence that false flags
all the time and most recently with pretending to be CIA agents inciting terrorism. Our intelligence services must remain sovereign for obvious reasons.

FIFTH: the number one motive for any Arab country to get nuclear weapons is to defend itself against the constant threat of Israel and their Zionists threats. Israel has
nuclear weapons therefore the rest of the region who is constantly threatened by Israel wants them. The best solution would be for a nuclear free Middle East. That
means we should put pressure on Israel to get rid of their nukes and to allow inspections just like every other nation. If we are so worried about the Middle East then lets
start with the biggest violator. Otherwise, lets keep our nose out of it.

If Syria or Saddam Hussein (who had no WMDs) did have nuclear weapons in fairytale land, then Israel would be threatened, but not the U.S. . That is if the U.S. wasn't
funding and supporting Israel. Therefore, it is of no concern of ours anymore than it is a concern of ours if Pakistan has nukes and may use them against India. Israel is
not special in most Americans hearts hate to break it to you. Wipe your tears away. American is fundamentally a Christian nation and/or a religious freedom nation. If
anything we despise those who make war based on their extreme religious views such as Zionism.

?The whole arguement of "we taking your money for your own good" is incredibly offensive. How about if we take your money for our good instead? In short, screw Israel
and your money and power hungry selves. You can't have my money whether you think its for our own good or not.

WOW very nice thanks for the help. +rep!

And thanks to everyone else as well.

 

[RickyJ]

There isn’t enough space here to discuss the relative merits of the expenditures in these other countries, but we already know the critically important return the US gets for helping its oldest, most trusted ally in the strategically important Middle East – the most powerful military force in that region, the pro-US, pro-West and democratic Jewish state of Israel.

A trusted ally does not try to sink a US surveillance ship.

A trusted ally does not spy on you.

A trusted ally does not plan and carry out false flag events against us.

A trusted ally does not have newspaper owners threaten your president with assassination if he fails to do as they say.

You are wasting time with this fool. He is an Israeli firster and more than likely a paid troll for Israel. Israel is paying people to get on forums and promote their propaganda and to report on "troublemakers." When you encounter someone of this ilk, have nothing else to do with them.

 

[jmdrake]

Looking to counter this guy. Not sure where I should start or even if any of this is actually factual. Any help is appreciated.

Send him this video.