Help: Recap of what is going on with our delegates and where do we stand?

[DGambler]

I'm traveling this week on business and am having a very difficult time keeping up on what the status is with our delegates. Can someone please let me know, do we have enough delegates and a the required plurality to nominate Ron from the floor or not?

Thanks!

 

[The Gold Standard]

Most of our delegates have been thrown out by the RNC in coordination with the official campaign. The only thing we can do is get the screwed delegates down there, raise hell at the door, and tell MSNBC we are going to be there ahead of time.

 

[sailingaway]

The campaign cut a deal which isn't popular here to seat only 17 of the 27 delegates of Ron's from LA, losing him that state as a majority. We had strong video, I personally would have rather fought it in the media.

Maine is being threatened to lose 'half' with the Romneytype automatic votes on top so Ron would lose that majority as well, but they are refusing to accept it. There is no earthly rationale for 'half' there was either rule breaking by OUR guys (there wasn't, just by theirs, even the committee on contests found no rule breaking) or there wasn't. Our guys are demanding to all be seated. The RNC is threatening to 'pick the half'. It is being appealed to credentials plus the Maine delegates filed in court asking for an injunction requiring they be seated, don't know the status. IF we get that and can document Oregon, where they are trying to make the 'head of the delegation' a non Paul person (to not call the Oregon delegate majority Ron has a majority), we might still have five states, but they are trying to stop it. They are also trying to get the campaign to AGREE however, which I think the campaign needs to stop.. Let Romney know there is no deal, Romney is fighting Ron's SUPPORTERS, and we will remember.


Then, if they cheat Ron out of his 5 states and nominee speech, Ron should file for the $39 million in matching funds and run independent on as many ballots as he can (the number doesn't matter for getting the message out.) I'm still seeing that last as the longest shot of all, but the RNC should know it is available to Ron.

And I think Ron should do it. It would be the perfect metaphor for his foreign policy. Don't attack first, but make them regret an attack of their own.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

the RNC created a measure to prevent Ron Pauls reported number of 300 + delegates from nominating the VP choice from the floor. RNC committee is attempting to push the required 5 state minimum for nomination up to 10 states.

 

[sailingaway]

the RNC created a measure to prevent Ron Pauls reported number of 300 + delegates from nominating the VP choice from the floor. RNC committee is attempting to push the required 5 state minimum for nomination up to 10 states.

My understanding is they tried and it failed BUT they got that it had to be in writing and may have put in language to make it seem like if the fake delegate lead they are trying to put in in Oregon doesn't sign it doesn't count, despite Ron having a majority of delegates. That is something I don't know, but suspect. I haven't seen the exact language but one way it was described would lead to that result.

 

[DanK22]

2 Questions. Has anyone involved with the LA deal/compromise given a reason as to why they settled? I keep seeing this '$39 million in matching funds' if Paul goes 3rd party, what's that all about and where is the money coming from? Thanks.

PS. Can someone link to the attempt(s) to bump up the number of states needed for nomination?

 

[sailingaway]

2 Questions. Has anyone involved with the LA deal/compromise given a reason as to why they settled? I keep seeing this '$39 million in matching funds' if Paul goes 3rd party, what's that all about and where is the money coming from? Thanks.

PS. Can someone link to the attempt(s) to bump up the number of states needed for nomination?

1. Not really. sort of 'it was the best they could get' but not why they accepted anything less than a majority.

2. The $39 million is a very loose number. Last time (2008) Ron qualified for matching funds and said he wouldn't run his campaign on stolen money. I'm sure he qualified this time too. He raised $39 million. I don't know the precise number of matching funds, but I would think it would be close to what he raised unless there are wrinkles I'm not aware of (and there may be, I'm no expert.) When Ron had run for President for the LP and came back a year later to sort of debrief his campaign, he said he might be able to be convinced that it was ok to take matching funds if you are running against the two major parties because of the ballot access/debate access bias in favor of the major parties. He said he wasn't quite there yet, but he didn't feel too strongly against it and might be able to be talked into thinking it was ok. (It's a great video of Ron and is worth watching.)

So, I figure the RNC knowing he can get matching funds to run against Romney is being idiotic trying to stop him from having a 15 minute speech.

 

[TheTyke]

Actually, there are a lot of defeatists going around making the situation look worse than it is confirmed to be. No doubt the Establishment is doing whatever they can to throw out proper election results, but we have won several battles and no one really seems to know all the details.

We seem to have our delegations from Iowa, Minnesota and Nevada seated. We seem to have lost Louisiana in a deal to drop our delegates from 27 to 17 (details unclear - some saying campaign deal, others saying delegation agreed for some reason.) Maine and some of the others are still up in the air and have yet to be decided. The campaign is apparently going to fight for these in the credentials committee.

Several sources are reporting that their attempts to raise the 5 state requirement to 10 FAILED, which is amazing considering we didnt control the rules committee. I guess you can only cheat so much without ticking your own people off? Here's a pretty decent article on it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...paul_n_1822985.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

 

[Kirdneh]

GOP Unbound is reporting 600 delegates supporting Ron Paul in Tampa.

 

[sailingaway]

GOP Unbound is reporting 600 delegates supporting Ron Paul in Tampa.

maybe before they started disqualifying everyone, but I suspect that was based on projections that didn't happen with some of the cheating in the various states. The RNC is just the latest round.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

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Then, if they cheat Ron out of his 5 states and nominee speech, Ron should file for the $39 million in matching funds and run independent on as many ballots as he can (the number doesn't matter for getting the message out.) I'm still seeing that last as the longest shot of all, but the RNC should know it is available to Ron.

And I think Ron should do it. It would be the perfect metaphor for his foreign policy. Don't attack first, but make them regret an attack of their own.

^^ THIS ^^

https://twitter.com/TheLoneCoyote/status/238512218663161856 <--- tweeted

edit: I wish I had enough characters left to put ""-sa or -sailingaway, but twitter is stingy

 

[anaconda]

run independent on as many ballots as he can (the number doesn't matter for getting the message out.)

I think it helps generate excitement (and of course votes) if he's on as many ballots as possible (thus the beauty of latching onto the LP ticket in one way or another). We can't hurt the GOP unless we redirect a lot of votes. BTW does the matching funds include running for VP?

 

[anaconda]

I can't believe this cheating isn't a bigger story. Seems Maddow would gloat all segment long with it. Maybe the puppet masters are telling their left cover to back down. This should be more damaging to Mittens than his tax returns, by far.

 

[sailingaway]

I think it helps generate excitement (and of course votes) if he's on as many ballots as possible (thus the beauty of latching onto the LP ticket in one way or another). We can't hurt the GOP unless we redirect a lot of votes. BTW does the matching funds include running for VP?

I definitely think he shouldn't run for vp even if it does. If he brings $39 mill to the table and the LP otherwise has $300,000 to $1 mill, less name recognition and less suppport, if they decide they want Ron it should be as President. Or they don't have to ask him.

But Ron would have to be pissed to do it. I hope he is.

 

[sailingaway]

I can't believe this cheating isn't a bigger story. Seems Maddow would gloat all segment long with it. Maybe the puppet masters are telling their left cover to back down. This should be more damaging to Mittens than his tax returns, by far.

Oh, I'm sure once Ron can't actually get anything out of it, and it is clear the party structure on both sides is going to be unaltered, the left will make more of it.

 

[CPUd]

My understanding is they tried and it failed BUT they got that it had to be in writing and may have put in language to make it seem like if the fake delegate lead they are trying to put in in Oregon doesn't sign it doesn't count, despite Ron having a majority of delegates. That is something I don't know, but suspect. I haven't seen the exact language but one way it was described would lead to that result.

Another thought on this - it's possible that they may somehow use these rule changes to accept only those signatures of bound delegates, bringing the binding back into the picture for floor nominations.

 

[Kage127]

Oh, I'm sure once Ron can't actually get anything out of it, and it is clear the party structure on both sides is going to be unaltered, the left will make more of it.

That is what I've been thinking too. Once Mitt gets the nomination and Ron is no longer a threat we will see coverage about how terrible the cheating was in the primary. It will all be great ammo against him in the actual election.

 

[Noob]

I can't believe this cheating isn't a bigger story. Seems Maddow would gloat all segment long with it. Maybe the puppet masters are telling their left cover to back down. This should be more damaging to Mittens than his tax returns, by far.

na they probably telling them to get tearful, race baiting, reports ready about those news letters.

 

[DGambler]

Thanks to everyone in this thread that gave updates. I'd +rep you all if I weren't on my phone.

SA, could you turn this into an update thread for the next few days?

 

[sailingaway]

na they probably telling them to get tearful, race baiting, reports ready about those news letters.

but if we actually have one side of the media on our side, which is possible now Ron is retiring his seat, they will describe that he never wrote the newsletters and lived and practiced medicine in a different state from where they were published during the short period (out of ten years of newsletters) that the 'cultural conservative' snark was a few of them. And Ron himself PRIOR and contemporaneously came out against racism, it was NEVER his position to be racist.

But there has to be an actual media outlet running that.