Help me. I want to leave the USA

[donnay]

I think you are wrong in your assessment. Many initially tried to move. That's why they came here in the first place.

Really? There were only 9 out of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence who were born aboard.

The last paragraph proves they knew what they were doing by signing this document:

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

John Adams October 30, 1735 Braintree Massachusetts Bay
Samuel Adams September 27 [O.S. September 16] 1722 Boston, Massachusetts
Josiah Bartlett November 21, 1729 Amesbury, Massachusetts
Carter Braxton September 16, 1736 King and Queen County, Virginia
Charles Carroll September 19, 1737 Annapolis, Maryland
Samuel Chase April 17, 1741 Somerset County, Maryland
Abraham Clark February 15, 1726 Elizabethtown, New Jersey
George Clymer March 16, 1739 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
William Ellery December 2, 1727 Newport, Rhode Island
William Floyd December 17, 1734 Brookhaven, Long Island
Benjamin Franklin January 17, 1706 Boston, Massachusetts Bay
Elbridge Gerry July 17, 1744 Marblehead, Massachusetts
Button Gwinnett 1735 Gloucestershire, England
Lyman Hall April 12, 1724 Wallingford, Connecticut
John Hancock January 23, 1737 Braintree (now Quincy), Province of Massachusetts Bay
Benjamin Harrison April 5, 1726 Charles City County, Virginia
John Hart 1711 New Jersey
Joseph Hewes January 23, 1730 Princeton, New Jersey
Thomas Heyward, Jr. July 28, 1747 South Carolina
William Hooper June 28, 1742 Boston, Massachusetts
Stephen Hopkins March 7, 1707 Providence, Rhode Island
Francis Hopkinson September 21, 1737 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Samuel Huntington July 16, 1731 Windham, Connecticut
Thomas Jefferson April 13, 1743 Shadwell, Virginia
Francis Lightfoot Lee October 14, 1734 Stratford Hall Plantation, Westmoreland County, Virginia
Richard Henry Lee January 20, 1732 Westmoreland County, Colony of Virginia
Francis Lewis March 21, 1713 Llandaff, Wales
Philip Livingston January 15, 1716 Albany, New York
Thomas Lynch, Jr. August 5, 1749 Georgetown, South Carolina
Thomas McKean March 19, 1734 New London Township, Pennsylvania
Arthur Middleton March 21, 1742 Charleston, South Carolina
Lewis Morris April 8, 1726 Morrisania, New York
Robert Morris January 20, 1734 Liverpool, England
John Morton 1725 Ridley Township, Pennsylvania
Thomas Nelson, Jr. December 26, 1738 Yorktown, Virginia
William Paca October 31, 1740 Harford County, Maryland
Robert Treat Paine March 11, 1731 Boston, Massachusetts
John Penn May 17, 1741 Caroline County, Virginia
George Read September 18, 1733 Cecil County, Maryland
Caesar Rodney October 7, 1728 Kent County, Delaware
George Ross May 10, 1730 New Castle, Delaware
Benjamin Rush January 4, 1746 Byberry, Philadelphia County
Edward Rutledge November 23, 1749 Charleston, South Carolina
Roger Sherman April 19, 1721 Newton, Massachusetts
James Smith September 17, 1719 Ulster, Ireland
Richard Stockton October 1, 1730 near Princeton, New Jersey
Thomas Stone 1743 Charles County, Maryland
George Taylor 1716 Ireland (possibly Ulster)
Charles Thomson November 29, 1729 Maghera, Ireland
Matthew Thornton 1714 Ireland
George Walton 1749 or 1750 Cumberland County, Virginia
William Whipple January 14, 1730 Kittery, Maine
William Williams April 23, 1731 Lebanon, Connecticut
James Wilson September 14, 1742 Carskerdo, Scotland
John Witherspoon February 5, 1723 Gifford, East Lothian, Scotland
Oliver Wolcott November 20, 1726 Windsor, Connecticut
George Wythe 1726 Elizabeth City County, Virginia

 

[Danke]

Hopefully you'll have to leave your guns and ammo behind, I could use some more.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I'm a non-violent individual. But i'll be fucking up some NWO assholes when the time calls for it.

No one but Paul!

Nowhere but here!!

 

[Danke]

I'm a non-violent individual. But i'll be fucking up some NWO assholes when the time calls for it.

No one but Paul!

Nowhere but here!!

Oh frick. cdc482, you have room for one more?

 

[eduardo89]

Even though our country is flawed, we Americans tend to be innately born with this spirit of liberty and freedom. Other country's do not have that bred into their blood and that is why no matter how bad things get, I will stay here. Canada...Are you joking? They are hugely anti-gun and they love their monarchy and Queen. They do not have that fire in their bellies like us Americans. I'm sorry if that offends some Canadians here.

What? I've yet to meet a single Canadian who actually cares for the monarchy. It's not high on the political agenda to abolish, but that's because no one really care about it at all. The Queen of Canada has no real power. A more pressing issue is reform of the Senate to make it democratically elected.

Also, in regards to gun control. Compared with the rest of the world, particularly Europe, Canada is a gun loving country. The national gun registry has been scrapped. Canada is one of the few western nations you can actually own a gun. There are various restrictions, but it's a lot better than most places, better than some US states even.

Not sure how you are defining socialism, but Canada spends about 3% more as a percentage of GDP on social programs than the USA. That's it. No freedom of speech or association? News to me and our Constitution. Not that those pieces of paper mean much anymore be it north or south of the border.

There are various limitations on freedom of expression in Canada, mainly related to "hate crimes".


Under section 318 of the Criminal Code of Canada, it is illegal to promote genocide. Under section 319, it is illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation, except where the statements made are true or are made in good faith. The prohibition against inciting hatred based on sexual orientation was added to the section in 2004 with the passage of Bill C-250.

 

[eduardo89]

I'm a non-violent individual. But i'll be fucking up some NWO assholes when the time calls for it.

No one but Paul!

Nowhere but here!!

Do you even own a weapon?

 

[specialK]

There are various limitations on freedom of expression in Canada, mainly related to "hate crimes".


Under section 318 of the Criminal Code of Canada, it is illegal to promote genocide. Under section 319, it is illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation, except where the statements made are true or are made in good faith. The prohibition against inciting hatred based on sexual orientation was added to the section in 2004 with the passage of Bill C-250.

I am well aware of that law and can think of only one person who has ever been charged and convicted under that law, Ernst Zundel, holocaust denier, thanks to the strength of the lobbying group, Canadian Jewish Congress . The poster stated was that there is "NO freedom of speech" in Canada. Freedom of Expression is enshrined in our Charter of Rights and freedoms. His statement was utterly ridiculous and ignorant. Make a threat here on RPF about planning to commit a terrorist attack in America, even jokingly, and see how much "freedom" of speech you have in USA.

 

[eduardo89]

I am well aware of that law and can think of only one person who has been charged and convicted under that law, Ernst Zundel, holocaust denier, thanks to the strength of the lobbying group, Canadian Jewish Congress . The poster stated was that there is "NO freedom of speech" in Canada. This is an utterly ridiculous and ignorant statement. Make a threat here on RPF about planning to commit a terrorist attack in America, even jokingly, and see how much "freedom" of speech you have in USA.

There have been many people who have been fined by human rights commissions in Canada and have been forced to publish their apologies in newspapers. The Ernst Zundel case was an absolute disgrace for freedom of speech and liberty in general. No matter what he published, he never advocated violence and he had every right to say what he believed.

I do agree that there is freedom of speech in Canada, to a certain extent. It is not unlimited. The US takes "homeland security" too far, but there is a much higher protection of published works.

In Canada under the CHRA it is illegal for any person to make a statement which “is likely to expose a person or persons to ‘hatred or contempt’ by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.”

 

[specialK]

What? I've yet to meet a single Canadian who actually cares for the monarchy.

I completely agree. The royalty is to most Canadians what the Kardashians are to Americans - a novelty and mildly entertaining.

 

[eduardo89]

I completely agree. The royalty is to most Canadians what the Kardashians are to Americans - a novelty and mildly entertaining.

Do you even know the Royal Anthem? I've only ever heard it sung at Remembrance Day ceremonies.

 

[bluesc]

I guess there is a consensus then: Build a huge electric fence around the US. No expatriating, you unpatriotic bastards!

 

[specialK]

Do you even know the Royal Anthem? I've only ever heard it sung at Remembrance Day ceremonies.

Do you mean God Save the Queen? Had to sing it every morning in elementary school. Eventually, it was dropped along with the Lord's Prayer.

 

[bluesc]

Do you mean God Save the Queen? Had to sing it every morning in elementary school.

That doesn't even happen in the UK.

 

[RickyJ]

It is better to fight than to leave. Running away from problems only causes new problems. The elite would love it if we all just got up and left.

 

[bluesc]

The elite would love it if we all just got up and left.

So would you.

 

[specialK]

That doesn't even happen in the UK.

It doesn't happen here now either. I'm going back a few years ;-). My mother was born as a British subject in Canada as Canadian citizenship didn't even exist until 1947, so ties to the Queen were much stronger way back when.

 

[bluesc]

It doesn't happen here now either. I'm going back a few years ;-)

I don't think it has happened in the UK since the second world war. Damn, I feel bad for Canada.

You guys should free yourselves from the monarchy and reform the upper house into an elective one. Set some examples for the UK, you glorious bastards.

 

[specialK]

I don't think it has happened in the UK since the second world war. Damn, I feel bad for Canada.

You guys should free yourselves from the monarchy and reform the upper house into an elective one. Set some examples for the UK, you glorious bastards.

There's much bigger fish to fry. The monarchy is a dream compared to Canada Revenue Agency. That is the true slave master, the ball and chain, the tyrant of all tyrants. We need a Ron Paul here.

 

[3kgt]

Both sides have merit.
We should stay and fight.
But come on.
If Ron doesn't get elected, do YOU want to live here?
I don't and I don't blame anyone that gets out before its too late to do so.
Being aware in a society full of lemmings is a very unhappy life as I'm sure many of you know.
Especially for me as I have anxiety and these issues bother me constantly, its incredibly frustrating that people don't care

 

[RickyJ]

So would you.

Care to elaborate on that?