Hawaii Governor seals Obama's birth certificate records

Strange how the MSM gives Obama a pass on this and many more issues...We're fucked, plain and simple. We will witness first hand the death of the United States. This will surely go down in history as the fall of Rome did.
 
EastWindRain said:
They obviously have something to hide.
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Why, just because they are not releasing it? That doesn't mean they have something to hide.

Why don't you let the world see your hard drive? Why don't you let the cop search your car? After all, if you have nothing to hide, why worry?

I realize this is an entirely different situation (guy is running for President, his place of birth has come into question etc), however the same [dis]logic of "they won't show so they must have something to hide" is a complete farce.


Obama should release his birth certificate, if for no other reason than to shut everyone up about it. And by not releasing it it does indeed make him look more and more suspicious at least in the court of public opinion. But he is not guilty because he refuses to release it.
 
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You realize Lingle's a Republican, right? And she's a pretty big supporter of McCain.
 
Your Birth Certificate is private, however, when you run for the office of the presidency, you must be a natural born citizen. Therefore, the person running for the office must relinquish that right to someone of authority, in order to verify their eligibility.

My employer doesn't have the right to examine my hard drive, but they do have a right to see my birth certificate if I must be a natural born citizen, which is what *I* had to do for employment.


FF
 
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Oh, one more thing.

If Hawaii is able to "seal" Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate, it means Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate.

I know some of you aren't very bright, so I'll lead you through this.

If Obama has a "Hawaiian birth certificate" to seal, he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya or Mars or whatever. He is therefore eligible to run for President. Duh?
 
You sure about that? Could be his records were transfered when he landed in Hawaii. No?

Also, what does the Governor of Hawaii have to do with anything? I don't believe the Governor has jurisdiction over this case. No?
 
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libertarian4321 said:
Oh, one more thing.

If Hawaii is able to "seal" Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate, it means Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate.

I know some of you aren't very bright, so I'll lead you through this.

If Obama has a "Hawaiian birth certificate" to seal, he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya or Mars or whatever. He is therefore eligible to run for President. Duh?
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No, not necessarily. I know it's really hard to understand for those who are not adopted, but for real, the states change these things all the time. For instance, I tried to help my former daughter-in-law get a copy of her birth certificate recently. She was born in Alabama. When she was 12, she was adopted in Iowa. For some completely unknown reason, the Iowa judge decided she was born in Georgia. She has actually never set foot in the state of Georgia. She was not born there. Yet, the state of Georgia issued her an officially stamped birth certificate.

I'm not saying Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but I am saying it is extremely naive to believe states do not alter these records on a whim. The only way to tell if the information on someone's birth certificate is authentic or not is to get into the vault.

Edit: Well, the reason isn't completely unknown. She had an older sibling who was born in Georgia. We figure it was easier for the judge to just issue new certificates out of the same state regardless of the facts of the actual births.
 
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libertarian4321 said:
Oh, one more thing.

If Hawaii is able to "seal" Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate, it means Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate.

I know some of you aren't very bright, so I'll lead you through this.

If Obama has a "Hawaiian birth certificate" to seal, he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya or Mars or whatever. He is therefore eligible to run for President. Duh?
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Wrong. Hawaii allows you to register birth of naturalized babies when they come into the country if a parent is a citizen. They have a record it just probably says he was born outside of the country.
 
libertarian4321 said:
Oh, one more thing.

If Hawaii is able to "seal" Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate, it means Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate.

I know some of you aren't very bright, so I'll lead you through this.

If Obama has a "Hawaiian birth certificate" to seal, he was born in Hawaii, not Kenya or Mars or whatever. He is therefore eligible to run for President. Duh?
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It never ceases to amaze me how rude people can be on the web. I would have wished better than this from a Ron Paul supporter, given Ron's example, but what can you do :(
 
Well ...why doesn't The Komrade just show the dang birth certificate if he has nothing to hide? What is the big deal? This is a bullcrap election...nothing sticks to that clown. He has to PROVE he was born in the USA. I can't believe ANYONE would defend the actions of what has gone on with this fiasco of a campaign. i didn't think it could get any more crooked than that new orleans election for Nagan...but this takes the cake. ToNeS
 
"Today, we mark an important milestone on the path to greater government transparency." --Obama

Note: I have no stance on his citizenship.
 
Barack Obama is making a bid for the presidency of the United States and his background is off limits. A reasonable mind HAS to ask, why is that? The Muslim question sends Obama Fans into conniption fits and settles all manner of insult upon the Doubter. Again, why is that?

How are Obama Fans so sure that the man who purposefully elected to be called BARACK rather than Barry, as he had been called during his posh private high school years, is not a Muslim? I have read and heard and read and heard about the man, and I am NOT sure. And I am NOT not sure because I'm a McCain fan, that's for sure. The only reason people seem to be sure that Barack Hussein Obama is not Muslim is because Barack Hussein Obama says so.

I have little regard for John McCain and I am repulsed by the Republican party, but I am also repulsed by the Democratic party. A CHILD can see that Washington DC is one big game of Liar Liar Pants On Fire.

They lie to us, then they lie to cover up the lies, then they lie to cover up the cover ups but, somehow, miraculously, everything that comes out of Barack Hussein Obama's mouth is tried and true? How are people making that leap of faith, and why?

I am not a practicing Catholic. How could I be, in view of the Catholic Church's horrifying accommodation of child molestation? I quit.

But I was born to a Catholic man and, believe you me, the Baltimore Catechism that was drilled into my head during my formative years is absolutely the gift that keeps on giving.

An Obama Fan will say that Obama wasn't raised in a religious household...but an Obama supporter will say that because that's what Obama says. Who the hell knows what kind of household in Jakarta, Indonesia framed his formative years?

Osama Bin Laden was recruited out of a posh private high school in London, by one of his instructors.

HOW ARE OBAMA FANS SO SURE THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS WHO AND WHAT HE CLAIMS TO BE?
 
MGreen said:
You realize Lingle's a Republican, right? And she's a pretty big supporter of McCain.
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Yes because we know how different McCain and Obama are :rolleyes:

It's amazingly easy to spot out Obama supporters on this forum.
That libertarian fellow is a hardcore Obama supporter.
 
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
[FONT=Verdana,][SIZE=-1]WorldNetDaily Exclusive[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+2]Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+1]Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1]Posted: October 26, 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]9:54 pm Eastern[/SIZE]

[FONT=Palatino,]By Jerome R. Corsi[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=-1]WorldNetDaily[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino,]WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174[/FONT]
 
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It seems to me that the judge ( Clinton appointed ) that ruled against Berg should obviously have recused himself on this issue due to a possible appearance of conflict of "political" interest. :rolleyes:
 
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