Hawaii Governor seals Obama's birth certificate records

[NewEnd]

I'm not a desparate McCain fan....not by a longshot. But, this is no small questsion. Forget his ties to terrorists, forget his slimey activities...the most basic question is, DOES HE MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION???

Anyone who discounts this issue is discounting the constitution, plain and simple. And, if people are going to discount the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, then they might as well pull the lever for Obama on November 4. Enjoy your slavery assholes.

I am only discounting the issue, because it is not an issue. Obama was born of a naturalized, American citizen, and had until age 19 to declare himself American. He has always, in his adult life, and young adult life, considered himself an American, therefore, he is American, by birthright. You can drop it now.

This is about the 4th constitutional challenge to an American president or VP's eligibility or citizenship, and all have failed. Others were Herbert Hoover, John McCain, Dick Cheney, and Barry Goldwater.

 

[M House]

Kinda ironic that both of our f@cking PRESIDENTIAL candidates probably don't even meet the minimum requirements in the constitution. Natural Born US Citizen doesn't seem like it should be very complicated to figure the definition of. Seriously only a lawyer could make that complicated. Citizen born in a US State not territory, base, or foreign country.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Honestly, does this shit really matter to anyone aside from desperate McCain fans?

In the grand scheme of things, not really. They both suck and are corrupt as hell, and neither one of them deserves to be president. However, if the US had a Kenya citizen as president, it would be an obamanation.

 

[NewEnd]

Kinda ironic that both of our f@cking PRESIDENTIAL candidates probably don't even meet the minimum requirements in the constitution. Natural Born US Citizen doesn't seem like it should be very complicated to figure the definition of. Seriously only a lawyer could make that complicated. Citizen born in a US State not territory, base, or foreign country.

or born of a US citizen.

 

[nodope0695]

in the grand scheme of things, not really. They both suck and are corrupt as hell, and neither one of them deserves to be president. However, if the us had a kenya citizen as president, it would be an obamanation.

+1000

lmao.

 

[nodope0695]

I am only discounting the issue, because it is not an issue. Obama was born of a naturalized, American citizen, and had until age 19 to declare himself American. He has always, in his adult life, and young adult life, considered himself an American, therefore, he is American, by birthright. You can drop it now.

This is about the 4th constitutional challenge to an American president or VP's eligibility or citizenship, and all have failed. Others were Herbert Hoover, John McCain, Dick Cheney, and Barry Goldwater.

The statutory laws on the books at the time Obama was born stated that for a child to assume U.S. citizenship from a parent, the U.S. Citizen parent must have lived for 10 simultainious years in the USA, and that five of those years must have been past their 14th birthday. Stanly Obama was 18 when Obama was born, IN KENYA, and thus did not meet the statutory law at the time. Therefore, Obama was never granted U.S. citizenship, nor did he EVER claim it when he turned 18.

I remind you also that Obama traveled abroad in the early 1980s on an Indonesian passport, to countries where U.S. Citizens were restricted from traveling. What does he have to say to that?

 

[M House]

Just a couple of simple words NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN, not naturalized, not of US citizen, etc.

 

[nodope0695]

Just a couple of simple words NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN, not naturalized, not of US citizen, etc.

Exactly. Natural Born, NOT naturalized.

You ask then, what of McCain? Wasn't he born in Panama? Well, far be it of me to defend that moron, but a military base is U.S. soil.

Coast Hospital in Kenya, is NOT EVEN CLOSE TO U.S. SOIL.

 

[NewEnd]

The statutory laws on the books at the time Obama was born stated that for a child to assume U.S. citizenship from a parent, the U.S. Citizen parent must have lived for 10 simultainious years in the USA, and that five of those years must have been past their 14th birthday. Stanly Obama was 18 when Obama was born, IN KENYA, and thus did not meet the statutory law at the time. Therefore, Obama was never granted U.S. citizenship, nor did he EVER claim it when he turned 18.

Which law is this, and how sure are you that you are not just using Berg twisted definiton? (which, BTW, our courts tossed out=, how unconstitutional of them.... )

What law.... you all bring in talking points from a right wing chain mail, and speak with such authority, what law makes you so sure? It is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous that age of the mother would matter.

You do not have to claim your citizenship, you have to reject it.

I remind you also that Obama traveled abroad in the early 1980s on an Indonesian passport, to countries where U.S. Citizens were restricted from traveling. What does he have to say to that?

is this the same issue? What countries? what proof?

 

[M House]

I seriously doubt he was born on a US base in Panama unless it conveniently had decent medical facilities at the time.

 

[NewEnd]

Exactly. Natural Born, NOT naturalized.

You ask then, what of McCain? Wasn't he born in Panama? Well, far be it of me to defend that moron, but a military base is U.S. soil.

Coast Hospital in Kenya, is NOT EVEN CLOSE TO U.S. SOIL.

It doesn't matter, both McCain's parents were US citizens. Case closed. This lawyerly nitpicking is not what the constitution intended, and would never even make it to the supreme court.

 

[M House]

I think people have problems with reading comprehension not with understanding what their lawyer tells them.

 

[NewEnd]

Here's the deal. I started ot get really paranoid that there was some giant conspiracy to take the Obama presidency away, or keep it, even if he was proven not to be a US citizen. In the first instance, the war would start in reaction to the riots. In the second, it would simply start form the right.

I took the word of the people on here, and their piss poor excuses and definitions of natural-born citizen. As I looked deeper, I found what I was looking for, and am no longer worried.

Keep it up guys, you are helping McCain and his Neocon GOP get one of the most historical ass whippings in American history.

I for one will rest good enough, with the worry of immediate race war put to rest for now.

 

[M House]

Hey I don't think McCain fits the definition one bit, seriously didn't congress decide his eligibility for him?

 

[Carole]

Ya know it could be that they believe that citizens(in general, not necessarily Obama) have a right to PRIVACY, kinda like specified in the bill of rights.(I don't believe privacy stems from Roe vs. Wade)

I have always thought birth records were considered public records. I had to go to the court house to get a copy of my own birth certificate. No special requirements were made of me that I can recall.

The court house here has huge books containing these records. Anyone can look them up.

How did these become private suddenly after Obama's quick trip to Hawaii. Whom did he visit there besides his "not so sick after all" grandmother?

Has anyone checked the records in Kenya?

 

[M House]

O well nothing like knowing we are deciding between a natural born Kenyan and natural born Panamanian or whatever it's called there.

 

[BeFranklin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law





His mother lived in Kansas most her life!!! Case closed.

Furthermore, he did not throw his grandmother under a bus, he said he does not throw away close relationships based on people's views about race.

And Kansas she said was the name of her star..

Woohoo. I was just thinking the other day if the "strawman" and "tinman - taxpayer identification number" political interpretations of the Wizard of Oz are used (from various posters on here), than Dorthy should represent natural sovereign citizenship trying to find its way home.

Under the original idea of citizenship, pre-14th Amendment, you are a citizen in one of these united States because your parents are, which is how the constitution also starts out, that it is intended for we the people, to us and our posterity. The 14th intended to free the slaves, who were born here and subject to the laws of the land (indians were not), but whose parents were not citizens because they were slaves. Natural born citizens isn't where you are born, but to whom. Nothing is more unnatural then claiming because an illegal immigrate snuck across the border to drop, their baby is a US citizen. That is not a natural citizen but extreemly artificial.

Obama's mother is a citizen of Kansas. She can look at the flag at any time and say and Kansas is the

 

[anaconda]

Even if Obama was born in Kenya he can still run for president and become president. Please google "Natural Born Citizen". Also, I know this because I've taken constitution classes.

I think Obama's situation concerning "natural born" is complicated by the fact that one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen. There are additional encumbrances that accrue in this situation, apparently. Also, if I understand correctly, one can be born as a citizen and not be a "natural born citizen." I don't think Obama's birth in Kenya would have been a problem if his father was a U.S. citizen like his mother. Since he was not, it's a whole different can of worms.

 

[BeFranklin]

Wrong. When only one parent is a US citizen (his father was not a US citizen) the parent has to be at least 19 because of the requirement that the parent resided in the US for 10 years with at least 5 of those years after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born so he cannot be a natural born citizen if born outside of the US.

Where is this in the Contitution? Regulations trump it by re-defination?

There is no such thing as a naturally born "US" citizen in the constitution. The Constitution is a federation of free countries, and its members or "citizens" are States not people.

A natural citizen of the united States (note caps to emphasize the point), is a natural citizen of one of the States that are part of the US. Under the original constitution, it would be impossible to be a citizen of the federal government.

What is a natural citizen? According to common law and general usage, one that is born of citizens of that state and subject to their laws. Or as the constitution starts out:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Note the underline. Obama's mother is a citizen so he is. The argument that he is not a citizen of the "United States" because of where he is born is 14th amendment type thinking, not what the constitution originally meant. Citizenship is not a matter of just where you are born, and it is not national in character.

At least one good thing could come of this - people can see there is a difference in citizenship, and federal versus national governments.

 

[M House]

So they both are like Federal citizens but not US citizens would that like make them more suitable or less suitable in most people opinions.