Hawaii Governor seals Obama's birth certificate records

[NewEnd]

And he liked it so much he decided to endorse Obama?

What group is the Obama campaign encouraging bigotry against?

 

[hotbrownsauce]

The Original post is wrong. Even if Obama was born in Kenya he can still run for president and become president. Please google "Natural Born Citizen". Also, I know this because I've taken constitution classes.

The question how I read is

According to Berg, even if Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, his stepfather later changed his citizenship to Indonesian. Berg bases this on the years the senator was enrolled in the Indonesian public school system as Barry Soetoro (his stepfather's surname).

In those days Indonesia was at war and only Indonesian citizens were allowed to enroll in public school. If the senator's citizenship was switched to Indonesian, and later switched back, he would then be referenced as a naturalized citizen. In that case, he would not be eligible to be president.

Source : http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2008/10/28/monroe/opinion/1029cla-garcia0.txt

 

[NewEnd]

Wrong. When only one parent is a US citizen (his father was not a US citizen) the parent has to be at least 19 because of the requirement that the parent resided in the US for 10 years with at least 5 of those years after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born so he cannot be a natural born citizen if born outside of the US.

where are you getting this from? Are trying to tell me if an 18 yo American has a baby in Canada, with a Canadian parent, that the baby is not American?

Whatever.

 

[Lord Xar]

Perhaps the hiding of his birth certificate has nothing to do with citizenship, but something else entirely.

I also find it hugely comical that some here have no issue with Obama NOT supplying his birth certificate. I mean, it IS a requirement to be president, yet how is one suppose to prove it when all obstacles are in the way? Its extremely odd that many of us question authority, question the media yet we look to the very source of corruption to validate this "birth certificate" and then say "what credible source has shown he is born in another country.." You can't prove it because the data that is needed is BEING DENIED! Phuk.

I mean, why was a 'fake copy' given to KOS by the Obama campaign?
WHY was his birth certificate sealed? Why? Think on that? Instead of debating the issue of what is real or not, just ask yourself "Why did they seal his birth certificate?" THAT IS FUCKING ODD???

 

[NewEnd]

maybe the father is listed as unknown. That copy wasn't fake, it was just an electronic document...

..or maybe, they know this just makes Obama's enemies look like bigoted jackasses.

His birth was in the Hawaii paper.. its not like it would be hard to get him citizenship, since his mother was clearly an American, and certainly his parents were not like, "OMG, Obama might be president one day, lets make sure he is a nationalized, not naturalized citizen."

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Perhaps the hiding of his birth certificate has nothing to do with citizenship, but something else entirely.

I mean, why was a 'fake copy' given to KOS by the Obama campaign?
WHY was his birth certificate sealed? Why? Think on that? Instead of debating the issue of what is real or not, just ask yourself "Why did they seal his birth certificate?" THAT IS FUCKING ODD???

Well, as we all know... it's all the same EVIL government and the $850 BAILOUT BILL with $100's of other BILLIONS going to their LOVED ONES blatantly obvious that government doesn't represent the people. Sooooooooooooooooooooo...

There can be multiple reasons for the Birth reocrds being sealed... for protection from theft, modification, destruction, inspection, or for a FUTURE deal between the governor of Hawaii and president elect. That piece of paper, whether it be authentic or falsified is worth an incredible amount of Wealth/Power.

Maybe Penny Pritzer offered the governor of HI, emmense wealth for her in the future.

Personally, there has to be some Witnesses from 45+ years ago... hospital, neighbors, relatives, government. Where are the eye witnesses and besides the Birth certificate, where's the hospital records, etc?

Then, what's going on in Kenya? If all this turns out to be true and Obama is disqualified, there will be a Supreme Court ruling... but as usually, the Idiots on the highest courts will rule to the wealth and best deal. Sorta like Scalia ruling on GITMO prisons, that not giving legal rights, will cause more American Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, instead of the KNUCKLEHEAD ruling by the U.S. Constitution. Of Course which they swears to uphold and enforce. (yeah right) They are the Supreme Exhaultered Court will rule... IN FAVOR OF OBAMA being president, BECAUSE there will be massive RIOTS and DEATHS across American and Martial Law, yotta yotta if we don't rule this particular way.

I can see it all now!

 

[Penners]

So, in two years Obama hasn't produced a valid Birth Certifcate. Oh, he tried to give one to clowns at daily kos, but that was found to be a photoshopped version. That in an of itself, raises HUGE questions -- why supply a forged birth certificate when supply the real one would take less time and effort?

AND now.... we have his "ailing" grandmother IN Hawaii who he threw under the bus as a racist etc... and now he wants to "see and spend time with her.."

... and now a politician in Hawaii seals the information that everyone needs and wants?

Oh brother..... perhaps its just me. I am a paranoid sort. But it seems a payoff has been made with some promises to "bury" information.

bump

 

[Ninja Homer]

maybe the father is listed as unknown. That copy wasn't fake, it was just an electronic document...

..or maybe, they know this just makes Obama's enemies look like bigoted jackasses.

His birth was in the Hawaii paper.. its not like it would be hard to get him citizenship, since his mother was clearly an American, and certainly his parents were not like, "OMG, Obama might be president one day, lets make sure he is a nationalized, not naturalized citizen."

Read this and tell me the birth certificate that the Obama campaign posted wasn't fake: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, but then why the hell won't he release the proof? It's not like it's a hard thing to do. In fact, it would be easier than manufacturing the fake birth certificate that they posted at http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

They are hiding something.

 

[NewEnd]

Read this and tell me the birth certificate that the Obama campaign posted wasn't fake: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Maybe he was born in Hawaii, but then why the hell won't he release the proof? It's not like it's a hard thing to do. In fact, it would be easier than manufacturing the fake birth certificate that they posted at http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

They are hiding something.

It not fake... it was never claimed to be the official document, it was presented as an "electronic copy". You guys are like people pointing to carbon copies of a check, and saying, "The check was never written, it was never written, this clearly is not the check!!! Why would somebody present this as evidence that the check was written? Its kind of blue, and splotchy, and doesn't even look like a check!!"

Why not release the proof? Remember the National Gaurd controversy. Why release it, when you can wait for McCain or Palin to get desperate, claim he isn't a citizen, and then produce the real thing, upping the landslide, and perhaps getting even longer coat tails.

Forging old documents, especially common ones like birth certificates, is easy. Its a $200 job for a guy named Mack in Tacna, Arizona. Everybody's internet sluething is not going to crack this case, and if Obama wanted, he could have a false document made, no problem, and nobody would know the difference.

As for the first link.. the guy is doing detailed analysis on a .jpg Stupid.

 

[RockEnds]

maybe the father is listed as unknown. That copy wasn't fake, it was just an electronic document...

..or maybe, they know this just makes Obama's enemies look like bigoted jackasses.

His birth was in the Hawaii paper.. its not like it would be hard to get him citizenship, since his mother was clearly an American, and certainly his parents were not like, "OMG, Obama might be president one day, lets make sure he is a nationalized, not naturalized citizen."

The birth announcement in the paper would be convincing--if it listed a hospital. From what I've heard, it does not. While a woman is in the hospital after the birth of a child, the hospital usually asks the mother if she would like the birth announced. If so, they ask her to specify newspaper(s). (They don't have to be in the area.) Then, the hospital sends the information to the newspaper(s).

Based on reports of the newspaper announcement, it sounds as if the family, and not the hospital, notified the newspaper. Maybe the hospital didn't offer to make the announcement, or maybe there was something else happening.

In any case, the announcement only states that his mother resided in Hawaii, and he was born. It doesn't say where. It proves nothing.

 

[NewEnd]

In any case, the announcement only states that his mother resided in Hawaii, and he was born. It doesn't say where. It proves nothing.

And they would care... why? Because they knew their son would run for president?

 

[RockEnds]

And they would care... why? Because they knew their son would run for president?

They would care because they had a baby that's little and cute. That's why people announce births.

 

[NewEnd]

They would care because they had a baby that's little and cute. That's why people announce births.

but why go through all the trouble of trying to portray him as born in Hawaii? His mother was, as Michelle O put it "very single" when she had him, even though the paper says Mr. and Mrs.... And all births do not happen in hospitals.

And I have still not got a good explanation or link to the so called law that requires a nationalized, American woman to be 19, before her baby can be considered American, regardless of place of birth. I find this a tad ridiculous and frankly, unbelievable.

 

[Ninja Homer]

It not fake... it was never claimed to be the official document, it was presented as an "electronic copy". You guys are like people pointing to carbon copies of a check, and saying, "The check was never written, it was never written, this clearly is not the check!!! Why would somebody present this as evidence that the check was written? Its kind of blue, and splotchy, and doesn't even look like a check!!"

Why not release the proof? Remember the National Gaurd controversy. Why release it, when you can wait for McCain or Palin to get desperate, claim he isn't a citizen, and then produce the real thing, upping the landslide, and perhaps getting even longer coat tails.

Forging old documents, especially common ones like birth certificates, is easy. Its a $200 job for a guy named Mack in Tacna, Arizona. Everybody's internet sluething is not going to crack this case, and if Obama wanted, he could have a false document made, no problem, and nobody would know the difference.

As for the first link.. the guy is doing detailed analysis on a .jpg Stupid.

Wrong. It is claimed by the Obama campaign to be "Barack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate" at http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate Get that? This is an official Obama campaign site. It's not presented as an "electronic copy".

Evidently, they got somebody to do a $200 forge job for Obama. The problem is, a computer forensics expert busted them on it. Of course you can do forensics on a jpg.

Since this forgery was busted, they can't try for a better one, and now they need to release the real thing. It's illegal to forge a birth certificate. Maybe that's why they won't release the real one? Because it would prove that the first one they released was a forgery?

 

[RockEnds]

but why go through all the trouble of trying to portray him as born in Hawaii? His mother was, as Michelle O put it "very single" when she had him, even though the paper says Mr. and Mrs.... And all births do not happen in hospitals.

Does the announcement try to portray him as born in Hawaii? I read birth announcements from all over the world in my local paper. The babies' parents have ties to this community, so they announce it here. Who knows why the announcement doesn't say where he was born? I don't. But it doesn't say, so it really isn't proof of anything other than the birth.

 

[nodope0695]

Ok - please post your birth certificate.

Depends on the laws of the individual state.


I absolutely agree. And he should produce the certificate, if for no other reason than to quench the issue. However one can not infer that just because he doesn't show it means that he is not a citizen. Innocent until proven guilty?

Yes he should show it, but there is no mechanism to force him to show it, short of a lawsuit. Unfortunately that course of action has been blocked.

If I had a scanner, I would produce my birth certificate...alas, I don't have a scanner. But, in my hand right now, I have a notarized, certified copy of the ORIGONAL certificate, not some computer generated certification of live bith. I have THE certificate. I payed $10 for it at my county clerk's office. It states my place of birth, my parent's full names, occupations, signatures, and legal residence. It states the date/time of my birth, contains the doctor's name and signature and the signature of the person who filed the certificate. It is a faxcimile of the origonal, hand written certificate from 1971. It is printed on official State of California, County of San Luis Obispo paper with boarders printed just as money is printed, it has a raised seal and date of reproduction and notary.

Obama's supposed "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT a true copy of a birth certificate because if contains only basic info, and no doctor's signature, no signature of the parent(s), no legal residence address.

My point? This is NOT private information. It is of public record. Its not like its a ssn, or credit card number. I had to show this document to join the military, get my passport, recieve a new SSN card, etc. Obama wants to be PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES!!! He NEEDS to produce this document in order to be properly vetted by his party, and the American voters.

The reason why the document has been sealed by Hawaii's govornor has to be because there is something to hide. Perhaps he was registered under one of his many aliases. Perhaps it indeed shows his place of birth as Kenya. Who know. But be assured, if it did show his birth to have taken place in Hawaii, at Kapiolani Hospital (or Queen's Hospital), then surely it would be released because it would close the case. However the document hasn't been released, so the question remains: What is Obama hiding?

No mechanism to force him to produce his Bith Certificate??? My friend, that mechanism is the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES! If we don't enforce that, what can we enforce? If we ignore this element of the constitution, why not ignore the entire thing? Oh, wait, I almost forgot. Obama has alread stated he wants to rewrite the constitution because it "reflects a blindspot of the founding fathers." The Warren Court failed to address the redistribution of weath in their rulings.

If you support Obama, then you are complisate in the fall of the Untited States as we know it. Enjoy your final free vote.

 

[amy31416]

Honestly, does this shit really matter to anyone aside from desperate McCain fans?

 

[NewEnd]

And I have still not got a good explanation or link to the so called law that requires a nationalized, American woman to be 19, before her baby can be considered American, regardless of place of birth. I find this a tad ridiculous and frankly, unbelievable.

Until I hear somebody explain this nonsense, you are all SoL, and making moot points about the proof he was born in Hawaii.


P.S. anybody born of an American citizen has until age nineteen to decide their American citizenship. There is no test required or anything like that. You just go get your voter registration card.

 

[nodope0695]

Evidently, they got somebody to do a $200 forge job for Obama. The problem is, a computer forensics expert busted them on it. Of course you can do forensics on a jpg.

$200??? Shit, I could make one of those for a six pack and a bag of chips.

 

[nodope0695]

Honestly, does this shit really matter to anyone aside from desperate McCain fans?

I'm not a desparate McCain fan....not by a longshot. But, this is no small questsion. Forget his ties to terrorists, forget his slimey activities...the most basic question is, DOES HE MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION???

Anyone who discounts this issue is discounting the constitution, plain and simple. And, if people are going to discount the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, then they might as well pull the lever for Obama on November 4. Enjoy your slavery assholes.