Hawaii Caucus Results, Could Ron Paul Get First Victory?

[parocks]

Ron Paul supporters are very dedicated. They will drive a 100 miles to see him at a rally. They will sign wave, post all over the internet - "Ron Paul 2012" and religiously do online polls. Only downside....they don't go to the polls that count.

There's a post somewhere else on RPF. The Ron Paul supporter is looking to drive to PA from WV with 2 friends who he hopes to persuade to vote for Ron Paul in WV.

That might be a typical scenario. 3 attendees, no votes in PA, 1-3 votes in WV.

Any time you see a rally there are likely all types of people like the WV person here on RPF. Who exactly is to blame? If the rally is on a college campus, it is clear that we have to blame college kids. But if it was held outside somewhere, maybe the residents of the town.

I think that maybe the problem is that we just don't have enough supporters. Yes, turnout could be better, but I'm confident that that WV fella will vote in WV, whether or not he sees a Ron Paul rally in PA.

 

[Ender]

great, we're getting our leaders chosen by people who baptize corpses

Stop with the bullshit.

Mormons do NOT baptize corpses; they baptize posthumously, believing that the dead, who are in the Spirit world, may choose to accept it or not.

You want Mormons on your side for this election so better learn up.

 

[devil21]

How did Mormons end up having such a large percentage of the population in so many states? They're less than 2% of the overall population...

That's also about how many people go vote in primary/caucus contests in the entire country. The Mormons alone can win the nomination for Mitt practically on their own based on pure numbers alone.

 

[parocks]

Stop with the bullshit.

Mormons do NOT baptize corpses; they baptize posthumously, believing that the dead, who are in the Spirit world, may choose to accept it or not.

You want Mormons on your side for this election so better learn up.

Or, knowing that most Mormons will be supporting Romney, and knowing that Romney is in first place in delegates, and knowing that Romney is a Mormon, it might just be better to go scorched earth and trash Mormons.

You know, learn up on the Mormonism cult. We must have a brokered / open convention to win. That means we have to knock Romney down significantly.

How about a Mormon vs Christian ad?

 

[jscoppe]

great, we're getting our leaders chosen by people who baptize corpses

Don't forget the magic underwear.

 

[thoughtomator]

Not quite sure why it's difficult to grasp that Mormon vote = Romney vote. I want them on side but they've made pretty clear they don't want to be.

 

[sailingaway]

Or, knowing that most Mormons will be supporting Romney, and knowing that Romney is in first place in delegates, and knowing that Romney is a Mormon, it might just be better to go scorched earth and trash Mormons.

You know, learn up on the Mormonism cult. We must have a brokered / open convention to win. That means we have to knock Romney down significantly.

How about a Mormon vs Christian ad?

because that would absolutely be in line with tolerance and liberty.

/sarcasm

 

[thoughtomator]

There's no need to demonize them but if they're going to be jerks and back Romney then they can take a few baptism and magic underwear jokes.

 

[sailingaway]

There's no need to demonize them but if they're going to be jerks and back Romney then they can take a few baptism and magic underwear jokes.

You are being collectivist. We have Morman members of this board who think Romney is a tool and Ron should be president.

WWRPD?

"You come to the table exactly as you are, so long as you aren't harming anyone else." -- Ron Paul

We don't support Ron by acting against his principles.

 

[carterm]

jeez this thread started off great but it sucks now.

 

[thoughtomator]

On the contrary, I am being anti-collectivist by mocking the collective "let's vote for someone of the same religion" attitude. It's in good humor and no more mean spirited than say, baptizing someone of another religion posthumously. By suggesting that Mormons might be offended, you a) make the collectivist assumption and b) tell me that you probably don't know very many Mormons, who in my experience tend to have a very good awareness of and sense of humor about the absurdities in their own religion.

 

[sailingaway]

No, I'm not speaking for Mormans at all. I am saying I consider it rude to make fun of a belief system someone deeply holds, regardless of who they are.

 

[DGraham]

...

...So Hawaii, huh. Would be nice to get a win there.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

No, I'm not speaking for Mormans at all. I am saying I consider it rude to make fun of a belief system someone deeply holds, regardless of who they are.

I concur on not making fun of other's beliefs, however the media clearly has a double standard when it comes to marginalization. Romney can be a believer in a system that by many reasonable standards has very odd doctrines, or in some ways is passive-aggressive anti-Christian. Yet because he's backed by a ton of money and establishment, he MUST be treated as mainstream. Whereas Paul is a traditional Protestant with historic Christian views, has tons of grassroots and rally audience support, runs on the Constitution and other bedrock issues, but has gotten treated like a freak of nature.

 

[kathy88]

Cannot believe how this turned. Some of you should be ashamed for even thinking these things, let alone voicing the opinions out loud. Why are you even Ron Paul supporters? You certainly don't embody personal liberty. So disgusted.

 

[cero]

Cannot believe how this turned. Some of you should be ashamed for even thinking these things, let alone voicing the opinions out loud. Why are you even Ron Paul supporters? You certainly don't embody personal liberty. So disgusted.

Relax, they are just trolling, and lol at you getting mad at someone voicing their opinions, the irony....

 

[Ender]

I will repeat my earlier post:

Mormons are good people and a win for Romney is a view that Mormons can be accepted as real people by the general populace. Mormons also have a high respect for the Constitution and feel it is divinely inspired- thus the general Mormon belief is that Romney thinks so too.

However, once a Mormon is shown Ron Paul and gets a little education on what the Constitution really says, they become avid RP supporters. It's just a matter of educating them in time. The bad news is that there's not a lot of time left- the good news is that Mormons are the most organized people on the planet and can spread the word like wildfire, once they wake-up.

 

[parocks]

because that would absolutely be in line with tolerance and liberty.

/sarcasm

Tolerance? That sounds like thought crimes and speech codes. It's usually imposed by Fed Gov and it takes away your freedom.

Liberty? The Liberty to make a TV ad?

Politics is brutal. Or you lose. Hardball. Romney was the one who screwed us over in Maine.

I'm not suggesting anything like this go out with "I'm Ron Paul and I approved this message". Ron Paul should stay away from those things.

These nasty ads (and I'm not suggesting that we focus on Mormonism, but leave anything on the table) should be done by a random new organization that is not specifically related to Ron Paul.

And also, I don't think this stuff actually win happen. I'm just pointing out (like I've been pointing out how extra GOTV was necessary) that someone is going to have to do serious damage to Romney to keep him from 1144.

What did he just say? Only an "act of God" could keep him from 1144?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-says-losing-nomination-would-take-act-of-god

BOSTON -- Mitt Romney's campaign gathered the national press corps in their campaign war room this morning to deliver a simple message: It would take an "act of God" for any candidate not named Mitt Romney to win the Republican nomination.

The Boston-based campaign projected confidence in Romney's ability to win the nomination given the emerging delegate math in the campaign following last night's Super Tuesday contests.

"We will get to 1,144 whether it's on someone else’s timeline, or on our timeline," said one top Romney aide. "We will get to 1,144 and be the Republican nominee."

 

[KEEF]

The GOP dirty tricks prevent me from getting excited. They've stepped on my hopes so many times since January 3.......

They've been stepping on my hopes since 07 when I finally woke up.

 

[sailingaway]

Tolerance? That sounds like thought crimes and speech codes. It's usually imposed by Fed Gov and it takes away your freedom.

Liberty? The Liberty to make a TV ad?

Politics is brutal. Or you lose. Hardball. Romney was the one who screwed us over in Maine.

I'm not suggesting anything like this go out with "I'm Ron Paul and I approved this message". Ron Paul should stay away from those things.

These nasty ads (and I'm not suggesting that we focus on Mormonism, but leave anything on the table) should be done by a random new organization that is not specifically related to Ron Paul.

And also, I don't think this stuff actually win happen. I'm just pointing out (like I've been pointing out how extra GOTV was necessary) that someone is going to have to do serious damage to Romney to keep him from 1144.

What did he just say? Only an "act of God" could keep him from 1144?

It's 'usually' imposed by govt? I'm opposed to govt doing it, but I'm speaking of what I would be associated with, and that is MY liberty. I also point out Ron's views on the subject, if they matter to those acting in support of him.

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edit - Besides, I think even if it weren't associated with Ron it would be pinned on him. Think about it, that Huntsman video by a FAKE RP supporter is still blowing up on us.