Havent been on in a bit. So are we going Rand Paul 2016?

[Reece]

Cue the atomistic anarchist response: "there is no we...we're all individuals".

I haven't seen many anarchists say that. I think it depends on the "we." If you say, for example, "we are humans," then this is indeed correct because everyone here is a human. However, saying, "are we supporting candidate A in 2016?" is a bit different, because not everyone in this "we" will probably support candidate A. So, an anarchist saying "there is no we...we're all individuals" might not be a contradiction depending on the original "we" being referred to.

That's not to say that it would be a useful thing to say, because I think everyone here knows that not everyone will support the same candidate.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

He's a low-functioning sociopath who takes, never gives--and he thinks we owe him for things that he did not do. You can not expect the truth from him. If you want more details, I could give them, but I'm pretty tired of it.

This. And that ain't the half of it. He should've been permabanned at least a year ago.

 

[eleganz]

A significant percentage of the liberty movement thinks Rand is a douche.

significant? nah.

douche? nah.

A chunk definitely doesn't like what he did, a smaller chunk despises him.

I would say less than half of the movement don't know if they can trust him.

In our group, its the anarchists who don't like Rand.

The GOP renewers like him still and will work for him.

The rest that fall in between are skeptical but will support him.

And in my opinion, I'm pretty sure its like this throughout the country.

The group that counts the most is the GOP renewer group though, they pull their own weight and are the leaders in the movement.

The anarchists have always been in it to rub in how horrible government is and bring it all down.

Those in between are followers.

Sorry if I offended anybody but its from my experience that I say this.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

There is a small fraction of the liberty movement that doesn't know the distinction between engaging realistically in politics (which means Rand Paul has to throw out an endorsement to a mainstream Republican every once in a while to stay in their good graces) and fighting for liberty (which Rand Paul does with every one of his votes and speeches in the Senate). These are the people who think Rand is a "douche".

Those who understand Rand's strategy and are realistic about the political process are supporting Rand for 2016, and that's the vast majority of the liberty movement.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Rand is the Mario Lemieux of politics, and as he is, he should be watched as such.

Go Rand! Careful not to get any GOP on ya!

 

[bunklocoempire]

The following is from a hardcore Fox watcher Bush lover from a different forum who is only interested in a 'R' win. (Rmoney voter) This is what we're dealing with, and presented for strategy refinements. It's a hell of a tightrope walk.:

A question then: Who would you guys, FW and AJMD, have run ?

Here's my problem: If you say "Ron Paul" you would have lost even bigger than Romney did.

Look, I've long thought that Ron Paul was a principled libertarian/conservative. He "gets it" on guns, and on the Federal Reserve, like no one who's run from either dem or repub party in decades "got it." Okay, that's a given.

But ... Ron Paul was also the tiniest of niche candidates, a Congressman. Congressmen do not become Presidents, Ever. Does. Not. Happen. Ever.

Ron Paul also never had a meaningful piece of legislation passed .... ever. He could not build coalitions. Ever. Perhaps the best thing he's ever done in Congress is attempt to shine a light on the rotten doings of the Federal Reserve, and to challenge its very existence. Hey, that's great. It really is. But then what ?


Soooooo.... who then ? By the way, if you say RAND Paul in 2016, I'll be listening. Now there is a member of the Paul family who might do things which we could all be happy about. But his Dad ?

Guys, the truth is that Ron Paul never wanted to be president. He's been much more content being a gadfly. A gadfly that I'm happy has been there, making noise about the Fed Reserve, and more, but a gadfly is all Ron Paul has ever been. I believe that Rand Paul is much, much smarter. And just as principled as his dad.

- DixieBoy

 

[RickyJ]

There is a small fraction of the liberty movement that doesn't know the distinction between engaging realistically in politics (which means Rand Paul has to throw out an endorsement to a mainstream Republican every once in a while to stay in their good graces) and fighting for liberty (which Rand Paul does with every one of his votes and speeches in the Senate). These are the people who think Rand is a "douche".

Those who understand Rand's strategy and are realistic about the political process are supporting Rand for 2016, and that's the vast majority of the liberty movement.

He did more than endorse the snake Romney, he campaigned for him. Also all his votes are not on the side of liberty, sanctions against Iran and aid to Israel. I will wait and see what he does as Senator before I decide to vote for him or not.

 

[Liberty74]

A significant percentage of the liberty movement thinks Rand is a douche.

I like Rand as a Senator. Rand is from my home state of BIG BLUE so of course I supported him and still do because he is among one of the better politicians IMO. However, I think it is premature to throw support behind Rand in 2016 who has yet to prove himself on much of anything or just people his last name ends in Paul.

Listen, I told you people for a year now that the third party is the best route - 70% of Americans are tired of the two parties. Then I have been telling you for months that if Romney won and disappointed (that would have happened) or if Romney lost (he did) that the Tea Party and so called conservatives would want to start a third party. The GOP at the national level is DEAD. It's over. Now Palin, Levin and Cain are advocating such third party. According to polls, they could take 40% of the GOP with them. Combine that with a good junk of Indy voters and you have yourself a viable third party.

Judge Nap 2016 as an Indy candidate. It's time we bust this shit open and take down the establishment by uniting the people. You can't unite the people behind the GOP. The demographics are changing and you will never get the anti-war liberals to back someone with an "R" after their name. But you can and will with an "I."

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Listen, I told you people for a year now that the third party is the best route - 70% of Americans are tired of the two parties. Then I have been telling you for months that if Romney won and disappointed (that would have happened) or if Romney lost (he did) that the Tea Party and so called conservatives would want to start a third party. The GOP at the national level is DEAD. It's over. Now Palin, Levin and Cain are advocating such third party. According to polls, they could take 40% of the GOP with them. Combine that with a good junk of Indy voters and you have yourself a viable third party.

Political suicide. If the GOP split they would lose control of the US House, 29 State Senates and 31 State Houses (if I counted them correctly). Basically what would happen is the Democratic party would be in control of the House, Senate and every state legislature. With the power of incumbency (on average 80% of incumbents are reelected), it could take a decade or more before this new party could gain control of a legislative body.

 

[fisharmor]

Whatever, everyone. I know for a fact that other posters here thin he's a douche, ad I know for a fact that many of the posters who were purged or voluntarily left also think he's a douche.
If you think he can win without our support, good on ya. I'm sure intentionally alienating a voting block can't possibly have negative consequences.

I also like how you guys just can't stop taking digs at anarchists. When you're the ones constantly bringing it up, you do realize it only promotes the idea, right?

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Whatever, everyone. I know for a fact that other posters here thin he's a douche, ad I know for a fact that many of the posters who were purged or voluntarily left also think he's a douche.
If you think he can win without our support, good on ya. I'm sure intentionally alienating a voting block can't possibly have negative consequences.

There's a growing wave of support for Rand in 2016 that exists outside these forums. It comes from men and women who are active and involved in the GOP, many of whom spend little, if any, time on discussion forums and sites like this. I am very involved on a local level and will be running for county committee next year. In my conversations with political activists, GOP club members, committee men and women and run of the mill people who aren't directly and actively involved (for example guys on my golf league), Rand's name has come up far more than Ron's name ever did. And this is all within the last week. That is extremely encouraging.

You are free of course to support whomever you wish to support, but to think that Rand cannot win without the support of a handful of people who call him a "douche" is ignoring reality.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Where from? I haven't seen anything yet.

I called someone I know on Rand's staff and she is sending me stickers from his 2010 senate campaign (I live in Wisconsin). But I have seen Rand 2016 bumpers stickers for sale on the Internet.

 

[eleganz]

Now is the perfect time for all of us to get involved with local Tea Party groups as well and start drilling Rand Paul in their heads, they already have a favorable impression of him.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Now is the perfect time for all of us to get involved with local Tea Party groups as well and start drilling Rand Paul in their heads, they already have a favorable impression of him.

Let's say many RPF members join their local Tea Parties to push Rand...here's how a typical discussion about him may go:

Tea Party: "I like Rand, but I'm worried, dear...his Father scared me to death with his foreign policy talk! Please tell me that Rand is nothing like his Dad. Is he?"

How do you answer?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

significant? nah.

douche? nah.

A chunk definitely doesn't like what he did, a smaller chunk despises him.

I would say less than half of the movement don't know if they can trust him.

In our group, its the anarchists who don't like Rand.

The GOP renewers like him still and will work for him.

The rest that fall in between are skeptical but will support him.

And in my opinion, I'm pretty sure its like this throughout the country.

The group that counts the most is the GOP renewer group though, they pull their own weight and are the leaders in the movement.

The anarchists have always been in it to rub in how horrible government is and bring it all down.

Those in between are followers.

Sorry if I offended anybody but its from my experience that I say this.

That about sums it up. The apolitical types are only here to distract and undermine our efforts.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

There is a small fraction of the liberty movement that doesn't know the distinction between engaging realistically in politics (which means Rand Paul has to throw out an endorsement to a mainstream Republican every once in a while to stay in their good graces) and fighting for liberty (which Rand Paul does with every one of his votes and speeches in the Senate). These are the people who think Rand is a "douche".

Those who understand Rand's strategy and are realistic about the political process are supporting Rand for 2016, and that's the vast majority of the liberty movement.

Spot on assessment. +Rep

 

[LibertyEagle]

Seriously not joking, I will campaign against Rand if he hires Da Collins. And everyone knows I love Rand.

If you did that, it would make you an ass; not to mention a traitor.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I like Rand as a Senator. Rand is from my home state of BIG BLUE so of course I supported him and still do because he is among one of the better politicians IMO. However, I think it is premature to throw support behind Rand in 2016 who has yet to prove himself on much of anything or just people his last name ends in Paul.

Listen, I told you people for a year now that the third party is the best route - 70% of Americans are tired of the two parties. Then I have been telling you for months that if Romney won and disappointed (that would have happened) or if Romney lost (he did) that the Tea Party and so called conservatives would want to start a third party. The GOP at the national level is DEAD. It's over. Now Palin, Levin and Cain are advocating such third party. According to polls, they could take 40% of the GOP with them. Combine that with a good junk of Indy voters and you have yourself a viable third party.

Judge Nap 2016 as an Indy candidate. It's time we bust this shit open and take down the establishment by uniting the people. You can't unite the people behind the GOP. The demographics are changing and you will never get the anti-war liberals to back someone with an "R" after their name. But you can and will with an "I."

Not in a hundred years will that happen. The third party talk has been put to bed, the nails in the coffin have been pounded. Just look at the liberty movements results running as republicans and taking party positions. Secondly, Napolitano said he likes being in the media educating people there, that's the role he likes and excels at.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

There's a growing wave of support for Rand in 2016 that exists outside these forums. It comes from men and women who are active and involved in the GOP, many of whom spend little, if any, time on discussion forums and sites like this. I am very involved on a local level and will be running for county committee next year. In my conversations with political activists, GOP club members, committee men and women and run of the mill people who aren't directly and actively involved (for example guys on my golf league), Rand's name has come up far more than Ron's name ever did. And this is all within the last week. That is extremely encouraging.

You are free of course to support whomever you wish to support, but to think that Rand cannot win without the support of a handful of people who call him a "douche" is ignoring reality.

Correct. A handful of misguided anarchists don't swing elections. I don't think they brought much to the table anyway. For every perceived person that thinks Rand is a "douche" we will gain a wider audience to the tune of 1:10,000. I'd rather take ten thousand people that actually vote, donate, and campaign than having a couple youtube commenters.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Now is the perfect time for all of us to get involved with local Tea Party groups as well and start drilling Rand Paul in their heads, they already have a favorable impression of him.

I'm going to buy his Tea Party book to the groups I frequent. Then later on I will provide them his Government Bullies book.