Have your political beliefs changed?

George Will, Journalist, Washington Post

“Ron Paul says to a lot of people, eager to hear this message, you can be antiwar and be a conservative. In fact, he says, if you are a real small government conservative, you have to be antiwar.”
 
I was a registered Democrat for the past two ellections. I was young and stupid, now that I'm in my mid twenties every two weeks I look at my paycheck and see that a good portion of my wage is going to Kansas State Tax, Missouri State tax (live in ks, work in mo), kansas City city tax, Federal Income Tax, Social Security, and Medicare. Each paycheck since I've been supporting Dr Paul I get angrier and angrier.

Same here!
 
I used to be a "neocon," and a pretty devoted one at that. I used to argue for hours on the internet and real life about how our mission was important for freeing the people of iraq from the ruthless saddam hussein, and setting up a domino effect of democracy in the middle east, with afghanistan and iraq as the examples for other muslim nations to work from.

I said I cared about the iraqis and their freedom, but honestly, deep down, I didn't. I thought the middle east was nothing but a hellhole of theocratic cave-dwellers, led astray in the dark ages by a pedophile named Muhammed. I could care less how they lived. What I did care about was trusting my president and letting the military kill as many islamofacists as possible, the ones who were apart of AQ, or atleast the kind of people that liked what happened on 9/11.

But what I really loved was pissing off the stupid, annoying anti-war liberals. I probably would have stopped sipping the kool-aid a lot sooner if it wasn't for the anger I felt towards them and the delight I had in telling them they were pansies, traitors, and giving "aid and comfort to the enemy."

But after a while I took a step back and looked at what intervening really meant for us. The countries we invaded and/or tried to foment chaos or revolution troubling us later.. The endless debt situation, foreverwar, cronyism, the military and pharmacudical industrial complex commiting egregious acts every day right in front of us all while we were stuck arguing over non-issues like same sex marriage.

Ron Paul was just the icing on the cake. I've always been a republican, but now I'm more honest with myself and more cynical about the powers that be up in washington, the bureacrats, and the MSM.
 
I was beginning to come into my political consciousness around Bush's first term and it was mainly a reaction against liberalism: the liberalism of my parents, relatives, friends, teachers, college professors. I increasingly disliked the socialism, the nanny-statism, the national and international bureaucracy, the political correctness, the victim and identity group politics, and sundry other aspects of the Left. I'm a Catholic and was also beginning more serious about my religion at this time. In reaction against liberalism, I gravitated towards "conservatism," which at that time seemed to me to mean Bushianism and whatever O'Really and Vannity were bloviating about. I just didn't know anything else.

One thing that happens to so many, many people, is that they only perceive the two "sides" present in the media, they align themselves with whatever side that seems to represent their personal beliefs best, then they start to feel obligated to defend even those aspects of their "side" that they may otherwise not agree with against the "enemy", then they finally believe those things themselves. It's unconscious, to a large extent. It's what happened to me. Some part of my brain probably knew I'd never support the Iraq War or the Patriot Act if, say, Clinton were pushing them, but that all seemed vastly unimportant compared to making sure the dreaded liberals were never given an opening to take power and inact those left-wing things that a really did hate and still do. In listening to and talking with other "conservatives" and debating with liberals, I learned all the pro-war argument forward and backward to convince others of them. Do you know that trying to convince others of something is a really great way to convince yourself of it?

In 2004, I was singing and dancing over Bush's win (remember he was running against Kerry). I was (and still am) happy about Roberts and Alito, but I became more and more skeptical of Bush throughout his second-term when everything else he touched seemed to turn to dust. At first I assumed to was the leftist media twisting everything against him, but by the time he was whoring for amnesty it became clear to me, and to so many others, that this was no conservative.

This certainly made me for open to questioning other aspects of what I hitherto accepted, even things that were still promoted by the other "conservatives" I knew and was listening to (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin). But it was until Ron Paul really came onto my radar screen and I heard him define his positions, that I really began to understand that one could be a true conservative (as he obviously was with the issues I actually cared about, moreso than practically anyone I'd ever heard of) without being pro-war or pro-Patriot Act. It still took awhile before I could get on board with the pull-the-troops out thing (I still wish he'd define his plan better in that area and worry about what could happen if Iraq actually does lapse into chaos and is taken over by Iran or whatever--but more and more I think it's more likely that our presence is actually a destablizing influence rather than the opposite). But my views have become much more well defined.

What Paul did was really take a lot of the scattered things I was thinking and/or feeling, through the garbage out, and tie the good together into a consistent, interconnected philosophy. That's where I think his real genius lies: he doesn't consider issues as if they are in seperate little boxes that so often leads to internal contradictions. Instead he has a fully-realized philosophical base on which everything else is built, to a degree I don't believe I've seen in nearly any other political figure.

I also learned that just because someone's considered conservative, doesn't mean that they're right (or conservative). Though I would have always mouthed that, I probably didn't really practice that principle. And I also realized that just because liberals are against something doesn't mean that they are wrong or it is right.
 
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One thing that is becoming more evident to me now is...when one side has their man in the white house, they can do no wrong and any increased powers they may give themself is justified because they can be trusted. The problem with this though is that powers are accumulative. You may trust Bush (believe me, a lot of people still do), and believe he is sincerely just trying to protect us, so you're okay with the patriot act. But what about the next guy that gets in there that may not be on your side, but still has the powers you gave the one you trusted? His base of power will be the patriot act, and within 4 years will probably take it a step further, which of course will be justified in some way by those who trust him.

So, you may be willing to give up a little of your freedom to be safe now to a leader you trust now, but you are also giving up your rights to whatever leader happens to be in office 20 years from now.
 
Ever since supporting Paul?

I've been a democrat all my life and was planning on voting for Hillary Clinton. Intially I started supporting Paul because of his foriegn policy views, but now I'm finding that I agree with him on everything.

I guess that makes me an old school conservative-libertarian lol

Anyone else's views change overtime?

My views have not changed since I was a teenager. I have been waiting all my life to vote for someone like Ron Paul who has the same world view that I have.
 
My foreign policy beliefs have changed. For as long as I can remember, I was an interventionist - Iraq, Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Haiti, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and I thought the Vietnam War was not prosecuted strongly enough and that's why we lost. Truman was my favorite Democratic president. Why? Because I believed that the US government, via the military, could do a better job than the local warlords, that we could make the people of the 3rd world more free. I lamented that we didn't "finish the job" in Iraq the first time.

I didn't realize, until very recently (more recently than Paul's campaign - I got on board for the domestic policy) that it's the right and responsibility of the people in the 3rd world to choose and support their own freedom, not ours. Everything else follows naturally from that.
 
Not really. I've solidified a lot of what I believed before and found a philosophical backbone in freedom and the constitution though.
 
My political views ended up getting formed by Robert Heinlein early so I have voted for the most hands off politician on the ticket for most of my life. This has usually meant watching my vote circle the drain after pulling the lever for the Libertarian Party. I voted for Dole in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 because Bush scared me into it. I seriously considered not voting in both those elections because I knew if either Gore or Kerry won I was going to lose more of my 2nd Amendment rights but held my nose and prayed. What is different about this year is I am hearing a lot more people dissatisfied with the status quo candidates and think a libertarian has a chance at being elected. I am well aware if elected RP isn't going to be able to do much beyond using his position to encourage people to think but it is still a step in the right direction.
 
Yes I have undergone a political transformation this past year. I've long been a green party liberal extremest. I've also long been concerned about the globalist agenda - I just never knew that there were others out there that care about it too!
 
I was enlightened with freedom and classic liberalism with the "Bulls@#$" series by Penn and Teller. A very good show.

I was strengthened with those ideas by Dr. Paul.

Currently I'm beginning the cliche classical liberalism reading list with some Friedman, Hayek, and Ayn Rand.

Actually the cliched classical liberal list probably begins with Locke, Montesquieu, Voltaire, Hume, Rousseau, Smith, Chydenius, kant, Ricardo, Bastiat on through JS Mill, thoreau, Menger, Bohm-Bawerk, Weber, THEN mises, hayek, Rothbard, Nozick, Friedman...

You could probably start with Hobbes, Macchiavelli, and Erasmus, but, meh.. id skip them since they are really "humanist" proto-liberals.

Also, skip Keynes, Bentham, Dewey, Rawls, etc, hopefully for obvious reasons...

As for Rand, thats less classical liberal and more philosophical capitalism and Objectivism.
 
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The Law by Frédéric Bastiat written in 1850, referenced by Ron Paul, and still in-print today, though link to read free on-line below.

The Book and Author

When a reviewer wishes to give special recognition to a book, he predicts that it will still be read "a hundred years from now." The Law, first published as a pamphlet in June, 1850, is already more than a hundred years old. And because its truths are eternal, it will still be read when another century has passed. Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) was a French economist, statesman, and author. He did most of his writing during the years just before — and immediately following — the Revolution of February 1848. This was the period when France was rapidly turning to complete socialism. As a Deputy to the Legislative Assembly, Mr. Bastiat was studying and explaining each socialist fallacy as it appeared. And he explained how socialism must inevitably degenerate into communism. But most of his countrymen chose to ignore his logic. The Law is here presented again because the same situation exists in America today as in the France of 1848. The same socialist-communist ideas and plans that were then adopted in France are now sweeping America. The explanations and arguments then advanced against socialism by Mr. Bastiat are — word for word — equally valid today. His ideas deserve a serious hearing.


http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

No other book, and I read this back in early 70's, more clearly cuts through to the core of govts proper role and their then criminal role whenever they exceed it. Brilliantly concise with undeniable logic, and you'll be forever inoculated to any arguments for govt expansion and lessoning of your liberty. Thomas Jefferson could have written this, and who knows, but he might have inspired the author.

Enjoy!

= Shane

PS - You know, I've read this 6-8 times over the years, and darn but in looking up the link here I read again the first couple chapters and am hooked again to read it all again!! I'll bet if you read the first half dozen paragraphs you'll be similarly inhaling deeply and eagerly a new breath of liberty, too.
 
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Inflation tax! When I first heard him say that at the debate, I had no idea what he was talking about, I thought it was a non-issue. After months of research, I'm now aware of the Fed's power as well as the strong opposition to the Fed. This is now a huge issue for me.

Other than that, the details from issue to issue have become more clear, as well as rounding out the philosophy of liberty. I've been a libertarian for a little over two years now, and I'm so happy that Dr. Paul has run for president. Before I switched to libertarian, I was a very liberal Democrat, I really thought it was the government's responsibility to eliminate poverty lol.
 
I was anti GW, but couldn't quite crasp the liberals either. About 4 years ago I realized my thoughts were what I've been told and how much we were all brainwashed. I also began looking at politically answer's as which made me free'er. I wanted everyone out of my life and I'll stay out of yours approach. I was kinda prepped for Ron.

One of my biggest changes since Ron is my view of the media. I just see propaganda now.
 
Once you go black you never go back....

o wait....Ron Paul is a white guy right?.....damn

:p
 
Not really. I have been a libertarian for about 10 years now. My views on foreign policy changed about 3 years ago (I was more pro-war then), and thankfully Dr Paul's views are right on.
 
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