Have your political beliefs changed?

[Brian4Liberty]

There shall be a next step.

Transgender?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

When I was a child I always had a communistic mindset and wanted everything to be free, that was until I was a young teenager who was studying the management of private enterprises in secondary school when I finally grasped the idea that capitalism as well as a secure government was a necessity to sustain a stabilized society, ..

How did you find this ancient thread?

 

[RabbitMan]

It is a wonderful time capsule.

I think the vast majority of us have tempered our politics a bit since 8 years ago--but what a way to ignite the flame and explode a movement of new civic minded people!

I love engaging in political discourse now but if it wasn't for Ron Paul I never would have been able to create a foundation for that kind of thought. I meet a lot of people these days who think they know what is right, but when pressed they end up with a wide and inconsistent set of views that belie the fact that they have no clue what they really think!

And so it goes for a lot of folks. It gets frustrating feeling like you don't understand why things ought to be a certain way, and I feel that goes a long way towards the political disengagement a lot of the populace has.

 

[Christian Liberty]

There shall be a next step.

What do you think that will be?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Oh yes.

Born in 1990
2000-2004: Liberal Democrat
2005-2008: Conservative Republican
2008-2009: Minarchist
2009-2011: Anarcho-capitalist
2011-2013: Left-libertarian
2013-2014: Paleolibertarian
2014-Present: Neoreactionary, post-libertarian

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Oh yes.

Born in 1990
2000-2004: Liberal Democrat
2005-2008: Conservative Republican
2008-2009: Minarchist
2009-2011: Anarcho-capitalist
2011-2013: Left-libertarian
2013-2014: Paleolibertarian
2014-Present: Neoreactionary, post-libertarian

You know, you don't have to try everything on the buffet..

 

[Christian Liberty]

Oh yes.

Born in 1990
2000-2004: Liberal Democrat
2005-2008: Conservative Republican
2008-2009: Minarchist
2009-2011: Anarcho-capitalist
2011-2013: Left-libertarian
2013-2014: Paleolibertarian
2014-Present: Neoreactionary, post-libertarian

Seriously if I could convince you to be a Chrsitian convincing you to be a Reformed Theonomist would not be hard

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

What do you think that will be?

Minarchist/Libertarian

 

[Christian Liberty]

Minarchist/Libertarian

Ehh... no... too many problems.

BUt I think Sola thinks I'm going the opposite route

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Ehh... no... too many problems.

BUt I think Sola thinks I'm going the opposite route

Sola used to be in your situation. Maybe you'll end up where he is.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Sola used to be in your situation. Maybe you'll end up where he is.

Oh dear.... I hope I never do that. And I don't just mean for politics

Sola was actually not the same as me, BTW. He was a Federal Visionist, and I'm not sure if he ever even understood theonomy.

 

[osan]

When I was a child I always had a communistic mindset and wanted everything to be free,

In a child, this cannot be readily labeled "corruption", but rather "fantasy". But once we become adult, assuming that one does, it becomes perforce corruption because by then, one knows better. If one doesn't, they are not adult.

that was until I was a young teenager who was studying the management of private enterprises in secondary school when I finally grasped the idea that capitalism as well as a secure government was a necessity to sustain a stabilized society, but upheld no knowledge of the political statist spectrum continuum and how the Labour Party vs Conservative Party (UK) left and right framework were administrated.

Define "secure government". Why must it be "secure"?

In August 2012 after becoming skeptical of the US Food and Drug Administration's corporate maleficences over covering up the dangers of synthetic substances like aspartame, I began to study the left and right wing framework in the UK and contemplated on what I felt endowed the truth. It then occurred to me that I was highly critical of the progressive liberalism of modern society (especially political correctness, overly permissive lifestyles, and open border policies) advocated by egalitarians and the long term effects of the burdensome welfare state (I was shocked to the find out the extortionate amount of taxes needed to redistribute for the funding of such social welfare programmes, most of which I believed were inducing dependency on the state), but I pinpointed out that were was no significant discrepancies between either of the parties and were completely equal on an authoritarian domestic, social and foreign policy.

A case where one is at least honest and open-minded enough to see problems where they live, regardless of whether they throw wrenches into the belief system. Most so-called "liberals" are not like this. They tend to be studies in the absurd, the wildly contradictory, and the most uncanny ability to compartmentalize the world so utterly that they cannot (will not) see their own hypocrisy, corruption, and said contradictions. In a world less polluted with the stench of fatally poisonous liberalism, these phenomena studied as highly integrated aspects of such people would yield a Nobel-worthy PhD area of examination.

Neither of the two main parties were fiscally conservative, nor could they reduce the national debt, and at the same time seemed to impose a nanny statist herd mentality amongst society. This inevitably led to my disgruntled skepticism of the left and right paradigm in early 2013 and immediately absorbed myself into the alternative media (despite my atheism) which helped me unveil many of my subconscious libertarian leanings (freedom of speech, freedom of association, gun rights, civil liberties, recreational drug use etc) and stimulate my gradual antagonistic resistance to socialism.

Left/right, liberal/conservative, and similar paradigms did not arise organically, IMO. These have been carefully crafted to divert the eye from truth and have been endlessly successful to that end. That you came to this is a good sign indicating you have retained something of sense, intelligence, a correct attitude, and are not dishonest as are one's garden-variety liberal.

Oh, and I have taken to rebranding "progressives" as "regressives" precisely because they are bass-ackward retards, mostly. I know of but the smallest handful of people that so identify and who are not viciously corrupt, self-hating, dangerous sorts who would see the world scrubbed clean of all who do not believe precisely as do they... all while vehemently denying such desires and bitter, astringent hatred of just about everything.

In May 2014 I came across Ron Paul out of nowhere and learned from him the truth

I would be curious to know what, exactly, was it about the good doctor's messages that lead you to believe he spoke truth. How were you able to say to yourself, "yes, this is truth"? It is fascinating to me to witness the gross disparities between one such as yourself and those who, upon hearing Dr. Paul speak, begin shrieking their tirades against him, about how he is insane, a liar, and so forth.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Sola used to be in your situation. Maybe you'll end up where he is.

Really though I suspect Sola's prediction is something way worse, hence my curiosity.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, not really.

Been tweaked and fine tuned perhaps, but I'm still just a pissed off AmeriKan who wants to be left alone.

 

[brandon]

Oh yes.

Born in 1990
2000-2004: Liberal Democrat
2005-2008: Conservative Republican
2008-2009: Minarchist
2009-2011: Anarcho-capitalist
2011-2013: Left-libertarian
2013-2014: Paleolibertarian
2014-Present: Neoreactionary, post-libertarian

Heh I'm probably something close to this too. Currently I don't even know how I'd classify myself. I guess now I think a lot of positions don't have one clear correct answer. There's merit to a lot of different positions

 

[Origanalist]

No, not really.

Been tweaked and fine tuned perhaps, but I'm still just a pissed off AmeriKan who wants to be left alone.

And you are going to stay pissed off.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'd add to the comment I just made, that I have changed in this regard:

I no longer view the CONstitutional as some sort of almost sacred text.

It has been very illuminating to learn the history and skullduggery present behind adoption, even beyond my initial readings of the Anti Feds.

It was, in fact, a counter revolutionary coup.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Not since the early 70's.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Not much. I'm in the middle and frustrated. I supported Ron Paul, but I also previously voted for Ralph Nader. Just looking for candidates that seem to have sensible policies that also don't seem completely insincere.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

You know, you don't have to try everything on the buffet..

I had good reasons for all of my transitions.

I was a liberal because my parents and everyone around me was liberal too.
I became conservative because I was a teenager and wanted to rebel against my liberal parents.
I became a minarchist because I stopped caring about rebelling and started to read up on economics.
I became an ancap because I accepted the NAP and was convinced of the efficacy of DROs.
I became a left-libertarian because I started reading the classical anarchists and I was very concerned with the idea that my philosophy was in the tradition of the "true" anarchists.
I became a paleolibertarian because I wanted to know what the reality of collectivist anarchism or mutualism would look like. I came to the conclusion that it would not be anything good. I also embraced race realism, and became anti-immigration and pro-white.
I went NRx because I became convinced of the superiority of monarchy, aristocracy and hierarchy over horizantal forms of organization (broadly speaking). I'm also convinced that traditionalism is necessary to maintain liberty in a society.