Has the Liberty Movement become a Bowel Movement?

Has the Liberty Movement become a Bowel Movement?


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I'm not surprised there is donor fatigue and people are bombed out. I think Kickstarter is worth a shot and I hope we get a last minute surge for him, but honestly, aren't we all sick to death of the charity model for liberty? We need to build something based on profitability and advertising. You know, how the rest of the world funds their media. Someone work that out please.
 
I'm not surprised there is donor fatigue and people are bombed out. I think Kickstarter is worth a shot and I hope we get a last minute surge for him, but honestly, aren't we all sick to death of the charity model for liberty? We need to build something based on profitability and advertising. You know, how the rest of the world funds their media. Someone work that out please.

The problem I see with that is, the news organizations become dependent on those sources for their money allowing the donors to dictate what can and cannot be brought to light. (Exactly why we already have the media we do).
 
Truth be told, to those thinking political activism is the key, never going to happen.

Rand Paul won't be elected.

No one else will give a fuck aside from what their tv says.

Forgive me for speaking frankly about it.
 
Truth be told, to those thinking political activism is the key, never going to happen.

Rand Paul won't be elected.

No one else will give a fuck aside from what their tv says.

Forgive me for speaking frankly about it.
Sadly, I'm beginning to accept that outcome.
 
I think Ben was really hoping that he could get 125,000 Liberty loving individuals to donate $10 bucks (not that much to complain about or budget for) and use the power of volume. Up against such a huge deficit and such low numbers of people donating it seems a daunting task, because it is.

The disappointing thing to me and I assume to him is the small number of people getting involved. Considering the amount of people in this country you wouldn't think it would be that hard. So, the question is: is it a problem of marketing and spreading the word or lack of people that care?
 
Truth be told, to those thinking political activism is the key, never going to happen.

Rand Paul won't be elected.

No one else will give a fuck aside from what their tv says.

Forgive me for speaking frankly about it.

Yes and the GOP cheating during the nomination process will have nothing to do with it...the silencing delegates or stomping on people or locking them out. Instead the grass roots will get blamed that they didn't do enough. That's how that's going to play out.
 
Yes and the GOP cheating during the nomination process will have nothing to do with it...the silencing delegates or stomping on people or locking them out. Instead the grass roots will get blamed that they didn't do enough. That's how that's going to play out.

Can't rep you again, right now. Someone cover me?
 
The reason is, simply, that this Ben Swann thing -- and Ben Swann himself -- are not widely known or marketed. As a casual observer of these liberty boards, I only knew a little bit about him. I know even less about the project, and less still about why I ought to donate to it.

The idea that it could easily raise $2.5 million dollars -- and the shock that it hasn't -- is indicative of a not-so-accurate awareness of the project has a whole ... probably as a result of spending too much time in a liberty movement echo chamber.
 
Yes and the GOP cheating during the nomination process will have nothing to do with it...the silencing delegates or stomping on people or locking them out. Instead the grass roots will get blamed that they didn't do enough. That's how that's going to play out.
You can't expect to do a delegate strategy at the last minute during a presidential primary w/ an insurgent candidate that has been dragged through the mud in every way imaginable and not encounter the types of pullback that we witnessed. Rand is clearly running a real primary campaign and not focusing so much on supporters being delegates as the rules haven't been changed back despite the efforts of the additionally elected people we got on the RNC. I can understand the defeatist sentiments from those in areas w/ not-so-active liberty groups and thus the feeling of despair rises to the top yet it's on you to get the ball rolling on something and get others to join your team. I care not how libertarian someone is if they are inactive and useless. Heck, I'd even qualify LP activism at this point for the uppity folks that can't play well with conservatives, just do something.

Regarding this Swann situation, the man clearly was aiming too high out of the gate and shouldn't have relied upon his FB likes or those that said they'd be attending this kickstarter as usually only 10-25% of people actually end up following through on a verbal commitment. I agree that this mission is important and it will be a shame if it doesn't pan out but it's not like he can't reassess the situation and/or find himself employed at the Blaze or another local tv station, he and his fam won't starve I'm sure. Frankly, what surprised me in this whole thing is that Ron is hanging him out to dry so far. Ben went over and beyond to broadcast the convention irregularities as well as topics that no one else would yet not much in return. If a person is a champion to your cause you never leave them hanging especially if you want more of what they have to offer. I was gonna stay out of this thread altogether but since the usuals have turned it into something against Rand, I had to chime in.
 
You can't expect to do a delegate strategy at the last minute during a presidential primary w/ an insurgent candidate that has been dragged through the mud in every way imaginable and not encounter the types of pullback that we witnessed. Rand is clearly running a real primary campaign and not focusing so much on supporters being delegates as the rules haven't been changed back despite the efforts of the additionally elected people we got on the RNC. I can understand the defeatist sentiments from those in areas w/ not-so-active liberty groups and thus the feeling of despair rises to the top yet it's on you to get the ball rolling on something and get others to join your team. I care not how libertarian someone is if they are inactive and useless. Heck, I'd even qualify LP activism at this point for the uppity folks that can't play well with conservatives, just do something.

Regarding this Swann situation, the man clearly was aiming too high out of the gate and shouldn't have relied upon his FB likes or those that said they'd be attending this kickstarter as usually only 10-25% of people actually end up following through on a verbal commitment. I agree that this mission is important and it will be a shame if it doesn't pan out but it's not like he can't reassess the situation and/or find himself employed at the Blaze or another local tv station, he and his fam won't starve I'm sure. Frankly, what surprised me in this whole thing is that Ron is hanging him out to dry so far. Ben went over and beyond to broadcast the convention irregularities as well as topics that no one else would yet not much in return. If a person is a champion to your cause you never leave them hanging especially if you want more of what they have to offer. I was gonna stay out of this thread altogether but since the usuals have turned it into something against Rand, I had to chime in.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Ron started his own media project before Ben did..I am sure his resources are tied up with that.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but Ron started his own media project before Ben did..I am sure his resources are tied up with that.
I was under the assumption that he and Ron had met on more than just a few occasions and that this is why Ben felt he could stretch his wings so far like he's doing now. In regards to Ron, I thought he was doing his podcast thing and some internet tv related thing so yeah. The only thing I can think of in Ron's defense is that he let Ben have his way with raising money that would otherwise go to his endeavor. Seems to me that if the community including Ron wants to see a liberty related tv thing popping off, we'd want a super intelligent, charismatic and lady's man kinda guy who is fairly young enough to build a huge brand going forward. It is what it is and we'll just have to set our sights on something else and move along if the chips fall out of place.
 
Ben just posted on FB there would be a big announcement this week regarding the kickstarter.
 
Personally, I prefer a journalist with Liberty in their hearts and mind - rather than those with blood on their hands for blatantly lying to the people..
 
Swann made the mistake of doing this is an off-election year... had he waited for the midterms there'd be more activity.
And when similar project was asking for money during election year people said during election year people are forucsed on political donation soo....
To those of you who voted YES, remember, you just called yourselves pieces of shit.

He he... I thought it is funny that is why I voted YES ;)



People have unreasonable expectations and wrong picture of situation and then get disappointed...
 
I don't know if the liberty movement has but I have them on a regular basis.
 
LOL
The whole thing is a sick joke.

You're seriously fooling yourself, if you think you can effect real change.
 
Ben just posted on FB there would be a big announcement this week regarding the kickstarter.

I am assuming this announcement was that he would do a fraction of the episodes if the people who have pledged would move their pledge donations to paypal from amazon so that he got the money since the kickstarter won't get funded.

I'm surprised that no one is talking about that here.
 
The liberty movement, or whatever it is, has not become shit... but it may have become exhausted. Enthusiasm, especially the shared brand seen in groups, has peaks and valleys. Give it some time, and the 'movement' or whatever (that is to say people who value liberty above almost everything else) will be back with a vengeance. Ron Paul retiring was not a grave blow, but it removed a common thread.
 
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