Has the Liberty Movement become a Bowel Movement?

[Carlybee]

Nobody ever said "truth" was pretty or palatable.

You have a lot to learn about marketing.

 

[The Bavarian]

1.2 million? Ouch... Well, my bank account is pretty low right now but I'll drum something up before the deadline.

 

[RDM]

You have a lot to learn about marketing.

Considering what we put up with during 2011-2012 with media bias and outright lies, I shouldn't need any marketing skills. It should be as easy as selling bananas to a monkey.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I think most of this movement has gone into their SHTF shelters.

But even on my survival prepping allowance I threw $200 towards this, if for no other reason than so Ben Swann can make Public Service Announcements before the collapse telling my idiotic fellow Americans to stay the hell away from my compound.

Of course, they never listened before.

 

[Feelgood]

Too many bombs!

Money bombs. Pledge bombs. etc etc etc

Sorry, but I stated this before when Ron was running and we couldn't meet his money bomb goals. It is simply "fill in the blank" bomb fatigue. People are tapped out. Broke. Busted. Depleted. Exhausted. Bankrupt. Impoverished. Sucked dry. Drained. Eviscerated. Sapped. Barren. Destitute. Played out. Ruined.

I could keep on all night. Not sure if you got the memo about the current Obama economy? It isn't good. Even though I am sure there are plenty here who would love to donate more, they simply can not. 1.25 million is no joke, and honestly is a bit over the top. I'm not sure Ron could pull off getting that money bomb/kickstarter whatever at this stage of the game. For a lot, I am sure their apathy has, rightfully, returned.

Be it as it may, unless some wealthy millionaire type steps up, I don't see this happening.

Lastly, I will leave off that I personally find this thread a bit offensive.

 

[Carlybee]

Considering what we put up with during 2011-2012 with media bias and outright lies, I shouldn't need any marketing skills. It should be as easy as selling bananas to a monkey.

Apparently there are more bananas than monkeys. He has only a bit over 25K likes on the project's Facebook page. Someone should be working that around the clock to quadruple that. Have any potential big money donors been approached? You can be as insulting as you want to members here, but realistically you cannot nickel and dime your way to over a million dollars without large donations. This was way too ambitious a kickstarter to depend mostly on forum members. (I sincerely hope that wasn't the plan). People are basically being asked to provide seed money for a business start up. If you want to raise the money needed you are going to have to do a heck of a lot more than depend on little ol us and coming in here and trying to insult/guilt people into donating is just messed up. I have seen 3 kickstarters this year..2 failed to meet their goal and one barely made it's goal and they were all under 50k.

And I agree with Feelgood..people are bombed out. I get solicitations for money daily in my email from Rand Paul for RandPac and Ron Paul on behalf of C4L, and about 3 other people with C4L. Not to mention the Mises Institute and any other number of people/organizations who happen to have my email address.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The liberty movement will always resemble a bowel movement because freedom attracts people who want to use their freedom in sometimes moral, theological, and philosophically base ways.

The invalid arguments, fallacies, and immoral trash I read sometimes on this website makes me want to flush the metaphorical toilet.

 

[Bman]

Yes. It never lived up to the hype and many have gone home. Anyone trying to make a buck off this group may find some cash but they're going to have a hard time bringing in millions. The die hard base is too small and in it's own ways deeply divided.

 

[pacelli]

This possibility of donor saturation was discussed in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. And the donations have tapered off over time, as predicted. Hell, Ron Paul himself predicted the economic collapse that we're experiencing right now. Its a shame that Ben wasn't around in 07 when blimps were being kept in the air by this forum at a cost of approximately $200k a month.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I'm not sure I buy into the whole donations tapering off argument. Ron raised over 40 million dollars.

 

[liveandletlive]

This is a worthwhile endeavor. Liberty is about educating people. More so than the pipe dream of getting Ron Paul or candidate X elected. We need to support more things like this. Ben Swan is a stand up guy

 

[CaptUSA]

Considering what we put up with during 2011-2012 with media bias and outright lies, I shouldn't need any marketing skills. It should be as easy as selling bananas to a monkey.

You see, that's my trepidation with this project. I am much more willing to put my money in the hands of people who have a way of selling bananas to elephants and donkeys. Sure, it'll make us feel good to have someone preaching to this choir, but in a practical sense, I'm more interested in growing the congregation. But that's just me. I wish Ben all the luck in the world!

 

[Carlybee]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...edia-project&p=5115092&viewfull=1#post5115092

This ^

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

This is a worthwhile endeavor. Liberty is about educating people. More so than the pipe dream of getting Ron Paul or candidate X elected. We need to support more things like this. Ben Swan is a stand up guy

I advocate doing both. They're not mutually exclusive endeavors. Having a liberty orientated network would do wonders for our potential candidates in the future, so they really compliment each other.

 

[Barrex]

I mentioned before that 1.2 millions is too much...

Where there is a will there is a way.

If Ron got equipment he should/could and probably would give Ben to use it too. This would be mutually beneficial cooperation.

It is known that people on this forum are able to reach Ben Swann and Ron Paul. It is only logical that we put those two in contact and watch behind bushes what will they come up with. They could come to same conclusion let push them to make it sure.

There are people on this forum who got skills needed to make this project (web designers, software developers, artists, people who make youtube videos with graphic thingies.....) who could do a lot of work for Ben and reduce costs significantly.


No use from bickering.


What else can be done to make this happen?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh, RDM, when did you get so funny? What a funny title! It's just so funny, I can't get over it...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I will chime in on the "all or nothing" approach as well. The site certainly seems to talk up the goal, and goes so far as to say that all of the money is needed. There's no plan to do half as many shows if $x are raised instead. There's no talk of doing the most with what's raised.

There is, however, a strange need to scold people for not pledging to this. I have looked at it and personally do not see the value in donating. That's me, personally, and since I'm the one that is in charge of my money, that's how it's going to stay. I have to divert funds to a variety of personal expenses over the summer and fall. I can't see falling short on those goals and telling family and friends that I could not help them because I was helping someone fund their educational political programming efforts.

It would be great if it got funded, but I don't think chastising the same crowd that occasionally has to choose between food and donations in order to scrounge up $100 for the site's namesake(s) is going to be the way to fund it.

Melissa, maybe you missed the fact that ALL Kickstarter campaigns are all-or-nothing. The goal MUST be met or the project won't get funded at all. That's just the nature of Kickstarter, it's not Benn's fault. He can't do anything if he raises half the money because if that happens, he won't get any money!

 

[RDM]

Oh, RDM, when did you get so funny? What a funny title! It's just so funny, I can't get over it...

I'm like a blind squirrel sometimes.

 

[MelissaWV]

Melissa, maybe you missed the fact that ALL Kickstarter campaigns are all-or-nothing. The goal MUST be met or the project won't get funded at all. That's just the nature of Kickstarter, it's not Benn's fault. He can't do anything if he raises half the money because if that happens, he won't get any money!

Yes, and he chose Kickstarter. Maybe you missed that!

It's ridiculous to put that high a goal to something like this, and depend largely on grassroots to fund it. There are candidates that need funding for far less money, and can use every penny. There are people in a variety of personal situations that have cropped up of late. There are a number of folks scratching their way past the finish lines of their chosen educational paths. It'd be a wise idea to hit up a few larger donors rather than those who are only going to spare a bit here or there. Even if I tossed $5,000 at this, it would echo on its way in.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Swann made the mistake of doing this is an off-election year... had he waited for the midterms there'd be more activity.