has any talk show ever been cancelled as fast as Freedom Watch?

the real question is how did it stay on air so long
obviously there are some insiders at fox who are sympathetic to his movement
 
The Judge said it was a business decision. I trust the Judge not to lie.

the Judge did not lie; he was told it was a business decision. I think it was a direct order from Rupert to Cavuto. very similar to the way Rupert closed News of the World. which was also called a business decision, but that newspaper could have survived
 
the Judge did not lie; he was told it was a business decision. I think it was a direct order from Rupert to Cavuto. very similar to the way Rupert closed News of the World. which was also called a business decision, but that newspaper could have survived

Judge's numbers were pretty bad weren't they? Considering they were competing against O'Reilly, their most watched show on Fox News.

They should have given the Judge the slot that the Five got....the Five is crap.
 
Judge's numbers were pretty bad weren't they? Considering they were competing against O'Reilly, their most watched show on Fox News.

They should have given the Judge the slot that the Five got....the Five is crap.

if he was being replaced by a new program, with a couple months notice, then I could see ratings being a valid factor

but this was 2 days (Friday and Monday), and there is no replacement. and the moving up the date from Feb 20th to Feb 13th is really weird
 
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FBN canceled their entire primetime line up, not just his show. After initially focusing solely on business-oriented shows, Fox Business tried launching new shows that were less focused on hard business and more focused on general politics (Napolitano's show, Eric Bolling's show, David Asman's show), hoping they'd improve the network's lackluster ratings, but they didn't. FBN hasn't made a profit since it was launched, and News Corp's patience is going to run out eventually. FBN has decided to rebrand again and return to focusing solely on hard business programming in an attempt to compete more with CNBC, canceling all their less business focused shows that air nightly in primetime in one clean sweep. Given that establishment/status quo cheerleaders Bolling and Asman also lost their shows, I do think this was a business decision rather than an attempt to silence The Judge for his views.
 
instead of rebranding as a business network, the better strategy would have been an all Libertarian news network. it would have to do better than FBN or CNBC.

CNN also tried a business network (CNNfn) and gave up.
 
Why would anyone tune into a business network when you all ready have Bloomberg. They're going to have to at least provide something equivalent to get folks to watch. I can't stand CNBC anyways. Total hackjobs.
 
Cavuto's program on FBN is also political. which a bit of business news. Dobbs also has political views (which is why CNN fired him)

so the re-branding spin doesn't hold true
 
It is what it is. Hopefully, next time a show like that shows up, we watch it and keep the ratings up. I recall a thread on here a couple of months ago about the poor ratings of Freedom Watch and the thread was full of comments about people not wanting to watch it, because it wasn't pure enough for them. They preferred the internet version. However, some of us forget that the show wasn't just for us. It was for all the people who aren't already on-board. It does little good for us to preach to the choir all the time.
 
I wouldn't be surprised at the real powers that got him removed... Remember how fast the Richard Bey show was pulled after he put Jennifer Flowers on regarding the Clinton incident... I believe it was either the next day or the same week...
 
f fox, i hope all the fox channels shut down forever. fox networks are scums of the earth! The only time i will ever watch fox,msnbc and cnn again is maybe a rerun on youtube. 2 weeks clean from those lying bastards!
 
It is what it is. Hopefully, next time a show like that shows up, we watch it and keep the ratings up. I recall a thread on here a couple of months ago about the poor ratings of Freedom Watch and the thread was full of comments about people not wanting to watch it, because it wasn't pure enough for them. They preferred the internet version. However, some of us forget that the show wasn't just for us. It was for all the people who aren't already on-board. It does little good for us to preach to the choir all the time.

Any show with little cable coverage is going to have horrible ratings. Most people do not get FBN. I wouldn't be surprised to see FBN subscription fall abruptly as all the folks who signed up to get it for the Judge cancel it. If it was packaged into the regular TV subscription they would see their ratings go way up. The problem is, how expensive is it to get them to include you in the main package?
 
with Larry King (CNN) and Beck it took 6 months or more, as did Colmes leaving Hannity and Colmes

and Freedom Watch gets 2 shows to finish? they even pulled the last week?

the web site of FBN still lists Freedom Watch as a program

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/freedom-watch/index.html

this was no business decision.
First off, everything is a business decision...even if it's based on nothing but bias. If a man decides his business isn't going to serve blacks because he hates them...that's still a business decision.

Secondly, FBN's website still lists Freedom Watch as a show because Freedom Watch is still a show. They may not be filming new episodes, but they are still airing the program so there website still has it listed. Your accusation that this was not a business decision and that it was a hurried bias decision made so fast that the website can't react fast enough is ludicrous--to put it kindly. If they really were biased against Freedom Watch, they would have scrubbed it from the website immediately; they haven't. Beyond that, Eric Bolling's Follow The Money was cancelled just as fast as Freedom Watch and is still listed on FBN's website just like Freedom Watch. If your implied accusation regarding Freedom Watch is sound, then that accusation should also hold true for Follow The Money; but I doubt seriously that you are proposing Fox has a problem with Eric Bolling's politics, which means you're the one who is being blinded by your own desire for a scapegoat. You, like most in our movement, are on a Salem witch-hunt because you can't yet recognize reality as it is; so, in an effort to make sense of the world around you, you assume there must be witches.

Thirdly, yes, there have been lots of shows that were cancelled faster than Freedom Watch. Do you remember Countdown with Keith Olberman? That got cancelled without any advanced notice. He simply announced in the last minute of his show that it was his last show. I could name hundreds (or even thousands) of shows with far higher ratings that were cancelled faster than Freedom Watch.

It's threads like these that hurt our movement. We accuse the world of being out to get us, then we fashion whatever facts we find to fit our own narrative. We reinforce our own wrong-headed thinking, then make that into our new reality. But what we pretend is reality is not reality. The reality is: the world doesn't think much of us. We're an oddity to them, a curiosity. They look at us as naive, as dangerous, as misguided. All these people we're fighting in the media aren't conspiring against us. Instead, they're viewing us (like most people do) as crazy because we're challenging the status quo, we're challenging all of reality as they know it.

Were the people who called Christopher Columbus crazy conspiring to hide the Earth's roundness from the world? No! They were just living in a time when the status quo said the world was flat; and the status quo said it, not because of some uber-conspiracy against round-Earthers, but because a flat Earth made the most sense to the majority of people who were operating with limited knowledge.

That's what's happening now. It's not a conspiracy like we're pretending. This conspiracy talk only damages us because it keeps us from recognizing reality and using the tools of reality. The reality is: most people believe Ron Paul's foreign policy is crazy, because they can't imagine how not interfering with Iran's nuke program would make us safer. It's not a vast hidden media conspiracy against Ron Paul's foreign policy; instead, the majority of people (including and especially the press) are operating with limited knowledge and their guts says that if Iran gets a nuke, we're in danger. Their view of the world, which is the view of the status quo majority (just go ask your neighbors what they think), is that terrorists hate America for its values and will do anything, including suicide and genocide, in order to wipe our way of life off the map. That's their sincere view of the world; there's no conspiracy.

They don't talk about our views much, because they honestly don't think our views are valid. Like the flat-Earth people who were operating with the limited knowledge that "the earth beneath my feet is flat...therefore the world is flat," so too today's status quo is operating with the knowledge that "these terrorists want Sharia law, they want women in burkas, they view Christians as infidels, they hate Jews, they oppress their own people, and they're willing to kill themselves in order to kill us...therefore terrorists must hate us because of our way of life is antithetical to theirs." That's how the they-hate-us-because-we're-free narrative started. Not because there was a conspiracy planning it but because individuals recognized certain true things about radical Islamist and came to sincere conclusions based on their limited individual knowledge; then these individuals each found that the majority agreed so it became the self-reinforcing, status quo narrative. (Like the ancient Greeks assuming the gods must be fighting when they saw lightning in the sky; it wasn't a conspiracy against science, it was just individuals attempting to explain reality and generally coming to the same overwhelming conclusion because their pool of information was so limited at that time.) Your OP fits the imagined narrative of our movement (i.e. that there's a conspiracy against us), and that narrative was wrongly created by individuals who were each trying to understand the world based on very factual information. (There is lightning in the sky, and the media does ignore Ron Paul; but there are not gods waring on a cloud, and there is no conspiracy against Ron Paul.)

While we say the world would be safer if America minded its own business, the majority (including and especially the media) see a different reality. And they don't see it because of some conspiracy against the truth, they see it because that's what their own limited knowledge tells them. And when they get together and share their sincere views based on their limited individual knowledge, they recognize that most of them agree; so they assume that that is the correct view. The fact that our views get talked about at all is what is remarkable; normally ideas as challenging as ours don't get talked about in any group. How long do you think children would spend considering if tofu is better than candy? Not long. Just like the media doesn't spend a lot of time talking about the views of those who think God is using terrorists to punish America for its loose sexual morality. The press avoids those extreme views, not because they are conspiring against them, but because they don't see them as valid arguments. Flat-Earthers didn't think round-Earthers had a valid argument. The majority (both in the press and in the general public) don't think we have a valid argument.

We may be very right. But our views don't fit their narrative of the world, so we must keep trying to reach out to them or do something remarkable (like sailing around the globe and coming back with gold from Indians in the New World) that opens their eyes. That's what I'm trying to do in this post, I'm trying to open your eyes and communicate with you. It's not a conspiracy. It's just a bunch of independent people who all happen to think alike because people with similar views naturally get together and they naturally re-enforce each other's ideas till it becomes their own warped view of the world. Flat-Earthers did it, the witch-hunters did it, the neoconservatives are doing it, and now we're doing it too by imagining phantoms where there are none.
 
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Pretty simple. If FBN didn't want to cater to liberty-minded folks, they wouldn't have put the show on air in the first place. I think some may forget that their ultimate bias is for money (why they don't like Dr. Paul), but ratings equal money...

Plenty have suspected it's been cancelled to stifle our message, but it was a liberty show on the freaking FBN. It was catered to us, and thus was not a threat to the views of their mainstream audience.

Yes the media is corrupt, but in a case like this, it's purely business.... If it was just about stifling the message, they never would have put it on air, knowing what our movement is about.
 
I'm sure Judge knew about the cancellation well in advance of when it was announced. He probably waited to say anything about it himself because he wanted to minimize the damage that was predictably done by all of the stupid babies here and elsewhere that spammed FOX's email inboxes with complaints and threats.
 
Beck was cancelled in half the time.

However, I'm guilty on not watching it, unless Ron was on. I just don't watch tv much.
 
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Beck was cancelled in half the time.

However, I'm guilty on not watching it, unless Ron was on. I just don't watch tv much.

Beck had months; he announced it in Feb, it ended June 30th; and was replaced by the Five (not much but still a program)
 
Beck had months; he announced it in Feb, it ended June 30th; and was replaced by the Five (not much but still a program)

Oh, I misunderstood. I meant the show was allowed to remain on longer than Becks. I didn't know you meant the trigger time between the decision and pulling it.
 
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