Hardball on Rand Paul vs. Dick Cheney (video)

[Dianne]

So Corn is defending Cheney?

The left is actually SCARED of Rand! Hilarious!

Based on this video I had to go see what Democratic Underground was saying about it.

From DU:

Rand can take a lot of Democrats who feel ripped off by the Obama lies. I think Rand can beat Clinton in a landslide. His biggest fight will come from the Republican party that would rather see Hillary as President over a libertarian leaning candidate any time.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Rand can take a lot of Democrats who feel ripped off by the Obama lies. I think Rand can beat Clinton in a landslide. His biggest fight will come from the Republican party that would rather see Hillary as President over a libertarian leaning candidate any time.

Very true. The neo-conservative wing of the GOP would prefer a Clinton over Paul because true neo-cons like McCain, Graham, Cheney, Kristol, et al. don't care all that much about reducing the size and scope of government, and they want someone who embraces a Wilsonian position on foreign policy. So they will gladly trade Clinton's desire to expand domestic spending programs in exchange for her Wilsonianism.

Rand is their worst nightmare since he wants a great reduction on the domestic side and is a Jeffersonian/Jacksonian hybrid on FP. Rand also possesses a Reaganesque ability to draw in swing voters, which also scares them. Rand can win this, and if he does the progressives will have nothing, so they will do everything in their power to ensure he doesn't win the nomination or the general.

 

[mosquitobite]

Awesome find! What's the URL of the Democratic Underground post you quoted from??

hxxp://www.democraticunderground.com/10024790536

 

[mosquitobite]

You know the media will be all over this today.

I think Rand's response can be simple!

I agree with Dick Cheney's statements of the innate problems with an Iraq war that he made in 1994. He was correct. You'll have to ask HIM why he changed his mind.

Make these idiot neo-cons justify the Iraq war, today. It can't be done!

 

[jbauer]

If the neocons are trying to trot this out to smear Rand because they think it will turn independents, Democrats or even Republicans off, they're more out of touch than I thought. America is tired of wasting money and wasting lives. We don't want this nonsense anymore. The neocons have another thing coming if they think they're hurting Randy with this.

Might just be you. I know all kinds of people very comfortable sending someone else's kid to die in a far away land.

 

[Inkblots]

You know the media will be all over this today.

I think Rand's response can be simple!

I agree with Dick Cheney's statements of the innate problems with an Iraq war that he made in 1994. He was correct. You'll have to ask HIM why he changed his mind.

Make these idiot neo-cons justify the Iraq war, today. It can't be done!

That is pitch-perfect. Too bad I must spread some rep around before giving it to you again xD

 

[donnay]

Where did Rand get the scoop on the George Tenet and Richard Pearle conversation as they passed at the White House doors after 9/11?

Shortly After September 11, 2001: Perle Says Iraq ‘Has to Pay a Price for’ 9/11


According to a later account provided by CIA Director George Tenet, he bumps into Pentagon adviser Richard Perle in the White House who tells him, “Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday, they bear responsibility.” Tenet, recalling his reaction to Perle’s statement, later says, “I’ve got the manifest with me that tells me al-Qaeda did this. Nothing in my head that says there is any Iraqi involvement in this in any way shape or form and I remember thinking to myself, as I’m about to go brief the president, ‘What the hell is he talking about?’” (Note: Tenet says in his book that this incident happened on September 12; however, after Perle insists that he was not in the country that day, Tenet concedes that it may have happened a little later). [Tenet, 2007; CBS News, 4/29/2007; CNN, 4/30/2007] On September 16, 2001, Perle will hint in a CNN interview that Iraq should be punished for the 9/11 attacks (see September 16, 2001).

Entity Tags: Richard Perle, George J. Tenet

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, Neoconservative Influence

Category Tags: The Decision to Invade


September 16, 2001: Richard Perle Hints Iraq Should Be Punished for 9/11 Attacks


When asked on CNN if countries that harbor terrorists should be punished, prominent neoconservative Richard Perle agrees, saying: “Even if we cannot prove to the standards that we enjoy in our own civil society that they were involved. We do know, for example, that Saddam Hussein has ties to Osama bin Laden. That can be documented.” [CNN, 9/16/2001] In 2007, author Craig Unger will write that like other administration neoconservatives (see September 13, 2001), Perle is attempting to create a connection in the public mind between Iraq and 9/11 which will justify an invasion. [Unger, 2007, pp. 217]

Entity Tags: Richard Perle, Craig Unger

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, Neoconservative Influence

Category Tags: Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties

http://www.historycommons.org/timel...ine_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&startpos=400


References:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/01/08/34458/perle-iraq-architect/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/04/30/12394/perle-kristol-tenet/
http://www.salon.com/2007/04/30/tenet_book/
http://reckoningwithtorture.org/wp-content/uploads/Reading_8.pdf
http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/

 

[mosquitobite]

Here is Tenet on PBS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs-jan-june07-tenet_04-30/

SCOTT PELLEY, “60 Minutes” Correspondent: The truth of Iraq begins, according to Tenet, the day after the attack of September 11th, when he ran into Pentagon adviser Richard Perle at the White House.

GEORGE TENET: He said to me, “Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday. They bear responsibility.” It’s September the 12th. I’ve got the manifest with me that tell me that al-Qaida did this. There’s nothing in my head that says that there’s any Iraqi involvement in this in any way, shape or form, and I remember thinking to myself, as I’m about to go in and brief the president, “What the hell is he talking about?”

SCOTT PELLEY: You said Iraq made no sense to you in that moment. Does it make any sense to you today?

GEORGE TENET: In terms of complicity with 9/11? Absolutely none. It never made any sense. We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaida for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period.

and DAVID BOREN, Former Chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee

There was a real rush, there was a determination to move into Iraq. And it reminds me of just the opposite sort of situation we faced during the first Gulf War, when I went down to the White House to talk to the first President Bush. And I remember saying, "Why don't we go on in? We pushed Saddam out of Kuwait. Why don't we go into Iraq right now?"

He said three things: First, Senator, what's your exit strategy? Second, he said, Let's think about the Kurds, the Shias, the Sunnis. Let's think about the civil war that might take place. Let's worry about upsetting the balance of power in the Middle East and strengthening countries like Iran versus other friends and allies of ours in the region.

And, you know, that was the kind of thoughtful discussion that took place then. And what really comes across in this book is the absence of that kind of thoughtful discussion this time around.

They all KNEW what would happen, including the balance of power issues we are having in the middle east now.

also mentioned in that PBS interview was this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

 

[KAYA]

There's that word again: "isolationist". Do these hacks honestly not see the problem with defining isolationist as "thinking, occasionally, that there's a war somewhere in the world America shouldn't fight"?

When Dems want to stay out of foreign wars they are the enlightened voice in the room. When someone on the right has the same take on the matter they are "isolationist". That's how the media plays the word game and a good example of their bias. It's clear to those of us awake, but goes unnoticed by the sheeple.

 

[donnay]

When Dems want to stay out of foreign wars they are the enlightened voice in the room. When someone on the right has the same take on the matter they are "isolationist". That's how the media plays the word game and a good example of their bias. It's clear to those of us awake, but goes unnoticed by the sheeple.

That's why many people need to break away from the phony left/right paradigm.

 

[mosquitobite]

When Dems want to stay out of foreign wars they are the enlightened voice in the room. When someone on the right has the same take on the matter they are "isolationist". That's how the media plays the word game and a good example of their bias. It's clear to those of us awake, but goes unnoticed by the sheeple.

Perfect!

 

[jtap]

That is pitch-perfect. Too bad I must spread some rep around before giving it to you again xD

Covered and now anxiously await Rand's response.