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“...a man who will not fight for himself, when he has the means of doing so, is not worth being fought for by others, and this sentiment is just For a man who does not value freedom for himself will never value it for others, nor put himself to any inconvenience to gain it for others.

... It is not within the power of unaided human nature to persevere in pitying a people who are insensible to their own wrongs, and indifferent to the attainment of their own rights. The poet was as true to common sense as to poetiy when he said, •Who -would be free, themselves must strike the blow."

If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle maybe a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly sub&it to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass (as quoted in video)
 
I've come to the conclusion that although we're all slaves, we must all be pretty happy slaves, because we sure as shit aren't doing anything about it.

And before anyone here tries and regale me with their tales of heroism and activism in the name of freedom.... answer me this... have you risked your life in the name of freedom?

If your answer is no, then you haven't done shit.

When a person claims to own your life, the only way to break that bond, is to put your own life at risk.
 
I've come to the conclusion that although we're all slaves, we must all be pretty happy slaves, because we sure as shit aren't doing anything about it.

And before anyone here tries and regale me with their tales of heroism and activism in the name of freedom.... answer me this... have you risked your life in the name of freedom?

If your answer is no, then you haven't done shit.

When a person claims to own your life, the only way to break that bond, is to put your own life at risk.

Remember when Trump was supposed to "fix" all of that, before further burdening us slaves via the Biden-Trump "My Tariffs Are Better Than Yours" War?

Trump would sooner send all of us to El Salvador before he allows us to stop-paying-taxes. Gotta Fund that Fed and the Billionaire's Club.
 
I've faced down cops more than once who were trying to deny myself or another their rights. The way things are, I'm thinking that qualifies me to say yes, I have.

I'll credit you with 12 seconds or so of freedom fighting, well done sir. More than most
 
I've come to the conclusion that although we're all slaves, we must all be pretty happy slaves, because we sure as shit aren't doing anything about it.

And before anyone here tries and regale me with their tales of heroism and activism in the name of freedom.... answer me this... have you risked your life in the name of freedom?

If your answer is no, then you haven't done shit.

When a person claims to own your life, the only way to break that bond, is to put your own life at risk.
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What would you consider risking one’s life? Would you consider what Larken Rose did to be a sufficient risk? Seems to me risking financial ruin, imprisonment, and even death if you decided to resist when they came to take your money or arrest you would certainly qualify, even if you stopped short of having them kill you or even arrest you. At least you did something a hell of a lot more substantive than whine on the internet and vote every now and then.
 
Remember when Trump was supposed to "fix" all of that, before further burdening us slaves via the Biden-Trump "My Tariffs Are Better Than Yours" War?

Trump would sooner send all of us to El Salvador before he allows us to stop-paying-taxes. Gotta Fund that Fed and the Billionaire's Club.

Yea that whole "End the IRS" thing was never gonna happen. If it were to have a chance, Trump would have to spend every ounce of political capital to even try and it's clear he's not gonna do that.
 
I'll credit you with 12 seconds or so of freedom fighting, well done sir. More than most

I've listed many ways to circumvent the system and live by them day to day. Risk vs Reward plays a lot into that, but if more folks did it, we'd be better off.
 
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What would you consider risking one’s life? Would you consider what Larken Rose did to be a sufficient risk? Seems to me risking financial ruin, imprisonment, and even death if you decided to resist when they came to take your money or arrest you would certainly qualify, even if you stopped short of having them kill you or even arrest you. At least you did something a hell of a lot more substantive than whine on the internet and vote every now and then.

I would not go so far as to say that he risked his life, at least not through purposeful intention.

I will give credit to Larken for risking his security which is more than most are willing to risk.

But it should be clear in hindsight if not foresight, the folly and uselessness of his endeavor.

But I respect the risk that he took regardless. Again, more than most.
 
Yea that whole "End the IRS" thing was never gonna happen. If it were to have a chance, Trump would have to spend every ounce of political capital to even try and it's clear he's not gonna do that.

But I thought his voters voted for him to do that? Isn't that what @Swordsmyth said?

One would think that after that "tremendous, fantastic, incredible victory!", Trump would have the gumption to see it through with the backing of his supporters!

Like I said, the Fed and the Billionaire's Club are at the top of his agenda, he would sooner send us to El Salvador than for us to stop paying taxes.
 
I've listed many ways to circumvent the system and live by them day to day. Risk vs Reward plays a lot into that, but if more folks did it, we'd be better off.

Circumventing the system is a pragmatic way to maximize your personal liberty, but it will always be limited by the bounds of tolerance that they will allow you to do that.

They know that people circumvent to some degree and they are mostly fine with it - it's like the Matrix, they let you have a little freedom in order to keep the rest of the system functioning properly.

But at the end of the day, "they are guarding all the doors, they are holding all the keys. Which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them."
 
Circumventing the system is a pragmatic way to maximize your personal liberty, but it will always be limited by the bounds of tolerance that they will allow you to do that.

They know that people circumvent to some degree and they are mostly fine with it - it's like the Matrix, they let you have a little freedom in order to keep the rest of the system functioning properly.

But at the end of the day, "they are guarding all the doors, they are holding all the keys. Which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them."

Every little thing adds up, and the more people do it, the more effective the change, little to no fight required. It's just that there are a lot of do-gooders, on both sides of the isle, who keep the overall system in tact. It doesn't bother me, I still do what I do. If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?
 
Every little thing adds up, and the more people do it, the more effective the change, little to no fight required. It's just that there are a lot of do-gooders, on both sides of the isle, who keep the overall system in tact.

Yea I disagree with you on that. I think as long as your disobedience remains within the realm of acceptable bounds, it's not really truly disobedience. There's a certain margin of disobedience that's built into and designed into this system. If you exceed those bounds, you will know it, and you will find very quickly that you will have to either fight or comply.

Disobedience can be a useful tool to get to that decision point, either fight or comply, but if people end up choosing comply anyway... then what's the point.

It doesn't bother me, I still do what I do. If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?

By all means, maximize your own personal liberty. I would just say, don't fool yourself into thinking you're making advancements to liberty by disobeying within their margins.
 
Yea I disagree with you on that. I think as long as your disobedience remains within the realm of acceptable bounds, it's not really truly disobedience. There's a certain margin of disobedience that's built into and designed into this system. If you exceed those bounds, you will know it, and you will find very quickly that you will have to either fight or comply.

Disobedience can be a useful tool to get to that decision point, either fight or comply, but if people end up choosing comply anyway... then what's the point.

Well I'm not going to start complying just because the mob does. That would set me back. Like I said, it doesn't bother me, I still do what I do and so far it has been advantageous for me.
 
By all means, maximize your own personal liberty. I would just say, don't fool yourself into thinking you're making advancements to liberty by disobeying within their margins.

It started out with me maximizing my own personal liberty pertaining to a few small things. After conversing with my neighbors, and over time, they started doing the same. Now what was mandated is no longer being enforced, the enforcers were worried about "elections". Hopefully over time that margin will widen.
 
It started out with me maximizing my own personal liberty pertaining to a few small things. After conversing with my neighbors, and over time, they started doing the same. Now what was mandated is no longer being enforced, the enforcers were worried about "elections". Hopefully over time that margin will widen.

To clarify, I am sure that privileges can be earned through minor acts of disobedience.

But to break the bonds of slavery itself, will require more than minor acts of disobedience.
 
To clarify, I am sure that privileges can be earned through minor acts of disobedience.

But to break the bonds of slavery itself, will require more than minor acts of disobedience.

Sure. So how can it happen? Through history most of them have happened through people ignoring "power" more and more until it's no longer taken seriously, or no longer revered, has revoked its right to be considered "authority" in their minds, however you want to define the mass change of attitude.

And that usually breaks out through the exact sort of monkey see monkey do thing he's talking about. Being free is infectious.

We're seeing the beginning of the proverbial brush fire, I think. Trump's trying to play firebreak.
 
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