H.R. 4133: United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012

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I'm a little late on this one, it passed the hosue last week. Sorry if it's a dupe thread, but I haven't seen any other mention.

Total votes:
Yea 411
Nay 2
Present 9
Not Voting 9

Some notable voters:

Paul: No
Kucinich: Not Voting (Too busy banging his hot wife I guess)
Amash: Yes
Jones: Present



Some notable text from the bill:

It is the policy of the United States:

(1) To reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.
(2) To provide Israel the military capabilities necessary to deter and defend itself by itself against any threats.

Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress that the United States should take the following actions to assist in the defense of Israel:

(1) Provide Israel such support as may be necessary to increase development and production of joint missile defense systems, particularly such systems that defend the urgent threat posed to Israel and United States forces in the region.

(2) Provide Israel assistance specifically for the production and procurement of the Iron Dome defense system for purposes of intercepting short-range missiles, rockets, and projectiles launched against Israel.

(3) Provide Israel defense articles and defense services through such mechanisms as appropriate, to include air refueling tankers, missile defense capabilities, and specialized munitions.

(4) Allocate additional weaponry and munitions for the forward-deployed United States stockpile in Israel.

(5) Provide Israel additional surplus defense articles and defense services, as appropriate, in the wake of the withdrawal of United States forces from Iraq.

(6) Strengthen efforts to prevent weapons smuggling into Gaza pursuant to the 2005 Agreement on Movement and Access following the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and to protect against weapons smuggling and terrorist threats from the Sinai Peninsula.

(7) Offer the Israeli Air Force additional training and exercise opportunities in the United States to compensate for Israel’s limited air space.

(8) Expand Israel’s authority to make purchases under the Foreign Military Financing program on a commercial basis.

(9) Seek to enhance the capabilities of the United States and Israel to address emerging common threats, increase security cooperation, and expand joint military exercises.

(10) Encourage an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises.

(11) Support extension of the long-standing loan guarantee program for Israel, recognizing Israel’s unbroken record of repaying its loans on time and in full.

(12) Expand already-close intelligence cooperation, including satellite intelligence, with Israel.
 
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Look, I'm a Jew with family in Israel, but WTF is up with this constant funding of Israel?

I mean, yeah, sure, we're surrounded by a bunch of crazy Arabs who want to kill us. Yeah, sure, there's tons of problems in Israel... But there's tons of problems all over Africa too!

Why is it Israel is soooooo exceptional that people is constantly sucking up to their militaristic government which has hijacked the image of the Yiddish people!?

What did they ever do for America!?

Look, I love Israel, and I take pride in being a Jew. But this isn't about Israel or Jews. This is about politicians (Most of which whom are Christians, or Christians pretending to be Jews like Nettanyahu...)

So WTF is going on!?!?
 
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Supporting economic and personal liberty =/= supporting non-interventionism. The two ideas aren't really related at all, except through really indirect routes of how foreign policy influences the economy or creates terrorists who are then used as a scapegoat towards depriving personal liberty.
 
What the hell Justin Amash??

I dunno. Does he buckle on these things because he's targeted due to his racial background? No excuse, but that's the only thing I can think of. AIPAC is probably watching him like a hawk.
 
Supporting economic and personal liberty =/= supporting non-interventionism. The two ideas aren't really related at all, except through really indirect routes of how foreign policy influences the economy or creates terrorists who are then used as a scapegoat towards depriving personal liberty.

When you understand that war is the health of the state, non-interventionism very much is intertwined with supporting economic and personal liberty.
 
(1) To reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.

vs
(1) To reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a democratic ally.
Ahmadinejad knows what he is talking about.
 
vs
(1) To reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a democratic ally.
Ahmadinejad knows what he is talking about.


True. That line in the bill was very racist.

I would donate towards a nation simply trying to become a free state. But the way the bill is worded is Jew this, Jew that.... Jew, please! STFU! I'm tired of this Jew that, Jew this, will politicians ever leave us alone!?

And yes, Justin Amash was definitely blackmailed due to his Arabic background.

Goddamnit, it's so hard to be a Jew and enjoy Arab culture when stupid ass politicians keep throwing wood to the fire between us! :angry:
 
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No more unnecessary and undeclared wars,
Rational debate of grievances and costs before.
The Israeli map will be fine—for Israeli’s are capable;
They did so before (מלחמת ששת הימים), it’s not debatable.

T Kosciuszko

Governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars, with the end result always being the same. One will always lead to the other. ~ Mr. Jefferson
 
Israeli-occupied territory

I refer, of course, to the U.S. Congress. It's fascinating to see that while ethnic discrimination is banned in the USA, even to the point of openly violating the Constitutional right of free association, and Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, it apparently passes Constitutional muster to pass a law which enshrines ethnic and religious discrimination in foreign states [...]

The law certainly sounds reasonable enough. Who wants to see Israel conquered by the Arabs and the resultant bloodbath that would likely follow? I certainly don't. Except there is one strange thing about this description... Israel is not actually an ally of the United States. I am not aware of any treaty between the two countries establishing a military alliance,and in fact, Turkey's membership in NATO means that any large-scale Jewish-Muslim war would actually require the USA to go to war against Israel. One can observe, for example, that Israel is not, unlike the USA's genuine military allies, participating in any of its current military activities. So, just to be sure I'm reading this correctly, let's take a look at the executive summary of the recenty passed House Resolution 4133, as summarized at GOP.gov.

H.R. 4133 would state that it is U.S. policy to: reaffirm the commitment to Israel's security as a Jewish state; provide Israel with the military capabilities to defend itself by itself against any threats; veto any one-sided anti-Israel resolutions at the United Nations Security Council; support Israel’s inherent right to self-defense; expand military and civilian cooperation; assist in a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that results in two states living side by side in peace and security and to encourage Israel's neighbors to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

Hold on a moment now. This means that thanks to the passage of HR 4133, the same government that is barred from defending America's right to exist as a white Christian state is nevertheless committing itself to defending Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state? It's an interesting juxtaposition, n'est-ce pas? I shall certainly be fascinated to learn if there are any philo-semites who can manage to articulate a defense of this recent Congressional action beyond the conventional and ever-so-convincing appeals to "anti-semitism".

One wonders if the U.S. Congress would be similarly willing to pass a law defending England's right to exist as an Anglo-Saxon Anglican state or Italy's right to exist as an Italian Catholic state.
 
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