Group Project: Let's Rank The Presidents and Summarize Their Presidencies

As Governor of California he also had budget problem and there too saw the biggest tax increase in state history to that time.
Reagan’s record on raising taxes began almost the moment he entered politics. Elected governor of California in 1966, he inherited a large budget deficit from his predecessor, Pat Brown. Although a conservative, dedicated to shrinking government, Reagan nevertheless found the magnitude of spending cuts that would have been necessary in 1967 to be beyond reach. This led him to endorse a $1 billion per year tax increase, equivalent to a $17 billion tax increase today – an enormous sum equal to a third of state revenues at that time. Journalist Lou Cannon recounts the circumstances:



“No amount of budget reductions, even if they had been politically palatable, could have balanced California’s budget in 1967. The cornerstone of Governor Reagan’s economic program was not the ballyhooed budget reductions but a sweeping tax package four times larger than the previous record California tax increase obtained by Governor Brown in 1959. Reagan’s proposal had the distinction of being the largest tax hike ever proposed by any governor in the history of the United States.”[1]



The top income tax rate was raised from 7 percent to 10 percent, the sales tax rate went from 3 percent to 5 percent, the cigarette tax was increased from 3 cents to 10 cents per pack, the alcohol tax was raised from $1.50 to $2 per gallon, the bank and corporate tax rate went up from 5.5 percent to 7 percent, and the inheritance tax rose from a range of 2 percent to 10 percent to a range of 3 percent to 15 percent.[2] According to Cannon, this was essentially the Democrats’ wish list of tax initiatives, with the sole exception that it did not institute tax withholding, which Reagan adamantly opposed. In Cannon’s words, “An economist who analyzed the tax bill without knowing its political background might conclude that it had been crafted by a New Deal Democrat.”[3]



In 1970, Reagan proposed yet another big tax increase of $1.1 billion, which would have been used to finance property tax relief. Incomes above $32,000 would have been subject to a new 11 percent tax rate, and three years later a new 13 percent bracket would have applied to those with incomes above $36,000. The bill would have also instituted tax withholding, which ironically led to its defeat in the Senate by a single vote. However, many of these provisions were enacted the following year.[4] The 1971 legislation raised taxes by $508 million (about $6 billion today), including an increase in the top income tax rate to 11 percent, a rise in the bank and corporate tax rate from 7 percent to 7.6 percent, and institution of an alternative minimum tax and tax withholding.[5] State taxes were raised another $1.1 billion in 1972 (about $12.5 billion today). This legislation included another increase in the sales tax rate from 5 percent to 6 percent and a further rise in the bank and corporate tax rate from 7.6 percent to 9 percent.[6]

The following was a joke during a microphone test- but it scared the heck out of a lot of people. The Soviet Union breifly put their forces on alert when they heard it:
 
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Reagan was a charismatic guy that couldn't speak w/o a teleprompter- told some horrendous lies w/o it- and was a likable neocon.

JFK was a much better pres than Reagan; Carter got the shaft because Bush Sr made a deal with the Iranians to NOT let the hostages go until after the elections, making Reagan look like it was his doing.

JFK got us into Vietnam. Compared to Vietnam, Lebanon is nothing. Carter made the Department of Education, a dramatic expansion of federal power, more than Reagan did (though he did expand federal power).
 
As Governor of California he also had budget problem and there too saw the biggest tax increase in state history to that time.


The following was a joke during a microphone test- but it scared the heck out of a lot of people. The Soviet Union briefly put their forces on alert when they heard it:


Don't forget to mention though that not only did he manage that increased tax supply by cutting spending and producing a budgetary surplus, he also turned around and returned a portion of that surplus to the people in form of a state check and then pushed through tax relief. Let us not also forget he inherited a $1 billion deficit that he turned into the aforementioned surplus. Imagine the government turning debt into a surplus and then gyving you your taxes back today.
 
JFK got us into Vietnam. Compared to Vietnam, Lebanon is nothing. Carter made the Department of Education, a dramatic expansion of federal power, more than Reagan did (though he did expand federal power).

vietnam was more or less A combination of Eisenhower's lets invade China belief and LBJ then JFK. JFK wasn't some beacon of light but I think it had something to do with why he was killed.
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JFK got us into Vietnam. Compared to Vietnam, Lebanon is nothing. Carter made the Department of Education, a dramatic expansion of federal power, more than Reagan did (though he did expand federal power).

We were in Vietnam before JFK and he was trying to get us out before he got killed.
 
Don't forget to mention though that not only did he manage that increased tax supply by cutting spending and producing a budgetary surplus, he also turned around and returned a portion of that surplus to the people in form of a state check and then pushed through tax relief. Let us not also forget he inherited a $1 billion deficit that he turned into the aforementioned surplus. Imagine the government turning debt into a surplus and then gyving you your taxes back today.
Be sure to include that his budget was twice the size it was when he became governor in the first place.

In the end, Reagan's budget was, in fact, more than twice as high as Brown's; and while much of that growth was a result of inflation, some of it was because of spending increases in the same programs that conservatives had once vowed to cut or abolish—many of them programs important to some of Reagan's critical constituencies. He worked effectively with the Democratic legislature on a series of tax and welfare reforms that were not at all consistent with the more radical agenda of Reagan's most conservative supporters. He oversaw one of the largest (and most expensive) water projects in the nation's history. And despite his harsh rhetorical attacks on the University of California for its alleged coddling of radicals, his administration was generally supportive of the system and helped it to grow. State government under Reagan, according to Gary G. Hamilton and Nicole Woolsey Biggart, did not "shrink and allow private citizens to handle their own affairs," as Reagan had once promised. "Instead government entrenched itself in many ways as a strong, effective force in California society" ( Governor Reagan, Governor Brown [New York, 1984], p. 214).

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GW Bush tried to give back a "surplus" to the people and instead started a record rise in the deficit again.
 
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Thanks. One thing that the Rothbard article reminded me of, and I need to research it, was the rumor that Reagan already had Alzheimer's when he was president. He was diagnosed in 1994.

That is always a hard question to answer. Those who dislike Reagan argue that he was obviously senile. Those who absolutely love him treat his Presidency as if it were perfect. You'll have to do the research and decide for yourself. His oldest son, Michael Reagan, denies his father showed any signs of senility during his Presidency. Michael and him were probably closest as Michael was also a conservative. Maureen, his oldest child, and the one that had a political career, stands by this. Nancy, his wife, of course holds he was in no way senile.

On the other hand his second son, Ron, and his second daughter, Patti, both say they believe the first hints of Alzheimer's was afflicting Reagan during his Presidency. Perhaps not unimportant they are both liberal Democrats.

So who do you believe? I was unsure. Michael and Maureen obviously have a political stake in their father's mental health during the Presidency, but so do Patti and Ron. And Nancy has always defended Reagan against attack. None of them are above suspicion.

I really suggest reading American Life, written after his Presidency. It was obviously written with someone helping Reagan, as he was not a bestselling author. But it does show a clarity of mind and memory on Reagan's part in helping write it. Also, The Reagan Diaries, the published diaries of Reagan from the Presidency show his mind to be clear and steady. It is these two things that convince me personally he wasn't senile at the time. Especially the Diaries.
 
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That is always a hard question to answer. Those who dislike Reagan argue that he was obviously senile. Those who absolutely love him treat his Presidency as if it were perfect. You'll have to do the research and decide for yourself. His oldest son, Michael Reagan, denies his father showed any signs of senility during his Presidency. Michael and him were probably closest as Michael was also a conservative. Maureen, his oldest child, and the one that had a political career, stands by this. Nacy, his wife, of course holds he was in no way senile.

On the other hand his second son, Ron, and his second daughter, Patti, both say they believe the first hints of Alzheimer's was afflicting Reagan during his Presidency. Perhaps not unimportant they are both liberal Democrats.

So who do you believe? I was unsure. Michael and Maureen obviously have a political stake in their father's mental health during the Presidency, but so do Patti and Ron. And Nancy has always defended Reagan against attack. None of them are above suspicion.

I really suggest reading American Life, written after his Presidency. It was obviously written with someone helping Reagan, as he was not a bestselling authoer. But it does show a clarity of mind and memory on Reagan's part in helping write it. Also, The Reagan Diaries, the published diaries of Reagan from the Presidency show his mind to be clear and steady. It is these two things that convince me personally he wans't senile at the time. Especially the Diaries.

Thank you.
 
Thank you.

Just a few fyi's. The ghost writer for Reagan's biography was Robert Lindsey, a NY Times correspondent. Also, if you do look up The Reagan Diaries be aware there is a single volume edited version, eidtied as in selected events, and a full none edited version to choose form.
 
Really interesting stuff, though I'm curious, where did you get all this info? I'm intrigued in researching this stuff myself. And my family is having a hard time beleiveing this, so it'd be good to have so e sources to back up this info please.
 
Really interesting stuff, though I'm curious, where did you get all this info? I'm intrigued in researching this stuff myself. And my family is having a hard time beleiveing this, so it'd be good to have so e sources to back up this info please.

This is a compilation of several members' input. I think most of the sources are books, but you should be able to find links for alot of it in this thread or by googling the specific piece of info you want to verify.
 
Jackson gets a really bad rap for the Indian thing, which I dont really think he handled poorly. The travesty was more a result of the local peoples and governments than it was of the Feds, who were negotiating treaties.
 
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