Greece elections 2012: live coverage

[Demigod]

No matter who wins everyone in Greece will soon be a millionaire or a billionaire.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

2034: Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras has called New Democracy's Antonis Samaras to congratulate him, reports say. But there is little sign of political accord in his first remarks after the poll. "We propose to upset the austerity measures and the bailout," Mr Tsipras says, adding, "this is the only viable solution for Europe".

 

[MarcusI]

Syriza dont want to be a part of a coalition government, obviously in order to stay with "pure hands" when the much needed economic reforms are going to hurt th population. My guess is that in the end, ND will form a government with Pasok, but the Syriza will incite big parts of the Greek to (violent) protests, making Greece uncontrollable in the next months.

Reporting 61,48 %


Invalid/Blank 1,00 %

Seats / PCT

ND 130 30,11 %
Syriza 70 26,50 %
PASOK 33 12,55 %
Ind. Greeks 20 7,44 %
Golden Dawn 19 6,95 %
Dem. Left 16 6,06 %
KKE 12 4,51 %

All other parties well below the 3% threshold

 

[MarcusI]

Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP for South East England and a Telegraph blogger, asks how much longer the inaction in Greece can go on for:

"No one wanted this outcome. Greece has repeated itself, only more emphatically, declining to give any party a majority. If no coalition is possible, what then? A third election? A fourth? Or will ND struggle on with a minority administration, unable to make any of the promised budgetary reductions?

Greece is in denial. It rejects austerity, but insists on keeping the euro. All the main parties duly parroted what the voters wanted to hear, making for a fantasy election, a make-believe election, a fingers-in-my-ears-I-can't-hear-you election. The only list which was honest about the necessary cuts – a coalition of three liberal parties – failed to gain a single seat. "

(But I think they will form a coalition nevertheless. But that wont make things much better)
("liberal" hasn't the same connotation in Europe as it has in the US)

 

[MarcusI]

88% reporting, no significant changes to the results above

Edit: 99% reporting, no significant changes to the results above

 

[RonRules]

88% reporting, no significant changes to the results above

Edit: 99% reporting, no significant changes to the results above

Normal elections won't vary past 10-20% reporting. That's how it should be.

That's why we in the vote flipping thread are going nuts about Romney's chart.

I'll chart the Greek election now.

 

[MarcusI]

Normal elections won't vary past 10-20% reporting. That's how it should be.

That's why we in the vote flipping thread are going nuts about Romney's chart.

I'll chart the Greek election now.

If only rural parts are reporting when 10-20% are reporting, it SHOULD vary. If the 10-20% are more or less representative, it shouldn't vary.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

and in EGYPT:

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-tenses-president-vote-032735072.html

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's Islamists claimed a narrow lead on Monday in vote-counting for the presidential election but the generals who have run the country since the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak issued new rules that made clear real power remains with the army.
A decree from the ruling military council, published as the count got under way on Sunday, spelled out only limited powers for the new head of state and reclaimed for itself the lawmaking prerogatives held by the Islamist-led parliament which the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) dissolved last week.

 

[paulbot24]

Greek will exit the EU regardless of who wins this election or what kind of compromise is made politically. Not a matter of if but when. There have been bank runs throughout Greece for the last month.....no safety deposit boxes available anywhere in the country. House invasion is becoming a major problem since thieves know the money is probably under the mattresses. Of course, mostly crickets from our media over here about any of this. Greece, Spain, Italy, the dominoes are all lined up and ready to fall. Nice time to turn your certificates into physical (if you haven't already) and just hold on and wait. We're nowhere near the bottom yet.

 

[MarcusI]

Greek will exit the EU regardless of who wins this election or what kind of compromise is made politically. Not a matter of if but when. There have been bank runs throughout Greece for the last month.....no safety deposit boxes available anywhere in the country. Of course, mostly crickets from our media over here about any of this. Greece, Spain, Italy, the dominoes are all lined up and ready to fall.

They will surely exit the Euro-Zone sometime, but not the EU, I think. How long will it take? Depends on how strong the German Government protects Germany's (relative) wealth.

 

[paulbot24]

Nobody likes Germany's collateral stipulation for bond issuance. Can't blame the Germans for that, they know where this is headed. It will be interesting to see how long Germany tries to right this thing, and how much money they lose before they give up on this idea. It's not just "their" idea, but they are the ones getting fleeced the hardest. If they can't right this tiny Greek fraction, how do they legitimately expect to salvage Spain and Italy....simultaneously?

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Nobody likes Germany's collateral stipulation for bond issuance. Can't blame the Germans for that, they know where this is headed. It will be interesting to see how long Germany tries to right this thing, and how much money they lose before they give up on this idea. It's not just "their" idea, but they are the ones getting fleeced the hardest. If they can't right this tiny Greek fraction, how do they legitimately expect to salvage Spain and Italy....simultaneously?

What promises has Merkel made to German citizens to continue to bankroll the P.I.I.G.S.

 

[RonRules]

Greek election Cumulative chart:

The top seven lines in order from the top:
Nea_Dimokratia
Syriza_Enotiko_Koinoniko_Metopo
Pa_So_K
Anexartitoi_E_Panos_Kammenos
Laikos_S_Chrysi_Aygi
Dimokratiki_Aristera
K.K.E.

This may not look like a flat line, but it actually is. It's because of the Athens vote, which is much larger in population and it distorts the chart. You can see that in the straight precinct size chart:

 

[thetruthhurtsthefed]

So a relative of mine is in Greece voting and mentioned what a farce the system is or what it has become. The new standards are as follows. Each voter gets 13 pieces of paper ( each representing a political party and the representative associated with it). The voter then takes the paper corresponding with the political party they choose to vote for and places it into an envelope and seals it. Now comes the sham/potential fraud; the envelope is given to a voting official at the local voting station. That's it. No protected box to be placed into by the voter...nothing. The voting official takes it to where it should " go". A nice system that the western powers can manipulate as to prop up the puppet govnt who so bows to the banks.

 

[RonRules]

So a relative of mine is in Greece voting and mentioned what a farce the system is or what it has become. The new standards are as follows. Each voter gets 13 pieces of paper ( each representing a political party and the representative associated with it). The voter then takes the paper corresponding with the political party they choose to vote for and places it into an envelope and seals it. Now comes the sham/potential fraud; the envelope is given to a voting official at the local voting station. That's it. No protected box to be placed into by the voter...nothing. The voting official takes it to where it should " go". A nice system that the western powers can manipulate as to prop up the puppet govnt who so bows to the banks.

Can you ask your relative if they count manually or electronically?

When I look at the voting day pictures on Athens Online newspaper, they appear to put those envelopes in transparent locked plexiglass cases.

Frankly, from the little that I know, I think Greece is doin' it MUCH better than in the US, particularly Riverside county. All the votes in Riverside are counted centrally and arrive in cardboard boxes with a paper tape seal (much like those that Bev Harris exposed in her NH videos).

Anyway, after removing Athens, the curves in Greece straightnen up quite a bit. In the US, Romney rarely looks that straight.

I actually think that Greece is running a MUCH more honest election than right here in Riverside. Here's what I have to deal with on Monday in Riverside:

 

[RonRules]

I split up Athens in 4 unequal size parts (.1, .2, .3, .4, which all add up to 1 (100 %)), just too see how the chart would look:

Either the people of Athens vote quite differently from the rest of the county or there's vote flipping in the city. It's likely that they use voting machines (and central tabulators) in Athens and not in the rest of the country. I'd be curious to know.