Grannywarriors trying to split support for DC March AGAIN!!!

[torchbearer]

But it is us she is accusing of being not forthcoming, etc., etc.

Think of karma as the blowback... and this post is coming from an objective observer sociologist.
First, this has nothing to do with you.
An event failed, the people who put on the event are not happy and often look for scapegoats.
These people who put on the prior event was hammered by some people on this forum and on daily paul.
Now they see people from this forum putting on another rally.

so there thought may be like "Inside instict draws the conclusion that those people trashed our rally in jealous competition, we've lost money, prestige, or (whatever negative you want to add here) and thus those people are the true enemy of freedom so we are lashing back at them (in the general sense)"

You just happen to be organizing most of this next event.

Now remember, i'm not advocating. I saying this in an objective, sociological observation of the event leading up the april 15th, and the events that have follow.

I found it interesting that people were so shocked that the GW would say such things, whereas to me, it is very obvious why...

So i hope my observation can help answer those questions.
This is my professional opinion.

 

[warriorgranny]

This is nonsense

If thats true. My like for both parties is slowly dieing.

I hope you all have enough sense to realize this is all just BS. I had applied for the April rally before Ron ever even announced his wish for a march. It was all done before any of the others started and the fees had been paid so I was not about to let it just go. The rally was a success even with the bashing and trashing done on this site by a few people. We trashed no one. But even at the entrance the police were turning away people who were standing there telling everyone the rally had been cancelled. That was not us doing that it was another group who went online and said it had been canceled. It was not and was a success with over 2000 people there with photos to prove it.

The March people are way off base again. The event in Sturgis is a solid effort to rally a revolution which is fading fast, the people on the west coast cannot aford the trip to the east we realized that way into the planning of the Rally on the 15th. Sturgis was selected then to be a point that was accessable to many of the western states and we planned on it starting before the 15th.

There is no need to be doing all this bashing unless there is a underlying motive to just ruin what we have done the past 2 years. Yes 2 years, we have been going around fighting Nais, NAU and Amnesty before Ron ever announced. There has never been a event we have organized that has been a sham or underhanded and won't be. We have not bashed anyone nor lied to or about anyone on any other event and usually have tried to help in any way possible but there are some that cannot bear to be helped as they know it all and are so big in their own egos that they think they can just write and say things without being questioned. I question most everything just as I am questioned. My name, address and phone number has always been available so people know who I am and where I live so they have some faith in our honesty. We have not betrayed that honesty in any manner and don't intend to start any time soon.

With so many millions of people in this country there is room for hundreds of rallys, marches and events and should not interfere with each other in any way. The more the better as energy and spirits wane with each loss. This Event in Sturgis is a Revolution Festival meant to be a fun time with people networking and just relaxing and having fun. It will be a success and we will have plenty of people out there no matter how hard others try to minimize it. We already have 7 bands coming, 10 workshops and 13 speakers all well known in the revolution community. We have already started taking reservations for free tent sites, RV sites and Cabin rentals, the place has a swimming pond, a swimming pool, 3 stages, skeet shooting range, 3 bars, restaurants and food vendors, it will be like a real old fashioned festival for families. The best part is it is affordable for the whole family and being held on at a time when lots are taking their vacations. The fourth will be ended with a huge fireworks display, not a few fire crackers but a real display by professionals.

I hope to see a lot of you there and wish the March in DC all the success possible.

By the way> we did not invite Ron to the festival as we knew or thought he would be in Washington DC but his staff ( Jennifer his scheduler) wrote and asked if he was invited and of course I replied that he would be more than welcome to just send me the date and time he would be there. So I guess he feels it is a good idea or he would not be interested in going to SD in July.

Linda ( Granny)
www.revolution4freedom.com

 

[warriorgranny]

I found it interesting that people were so shocked that the GW would say such things, whereas to me, it is very obvious why...

So i hope my observation can help answer those questions.
This is my professional opinion.[/QUOTE]


I am curious as to what it is that I said that was shocking to anyone? and the Rally on the 15th was not a failure and we lost no money or prestiege or anything else. We were not there to fulfill our own egos.. we were there to make a statement to Congress and the Senate which we did very well. If you look at the photos you can see the congressmen and senators standing on the patio listening to the speakers, that is what we were there to do get their attention. If only 100 people would have shown up I would have felt it a success.. Any thing to get people to wake up. We had wonderful speakers and entertainers, people laid on the grass and just enjoyed the day. It was a beautiful day and went so well I was very pleased with every aspect of it. So were the folks that were there.

 

[Mckarnin]

GW are starting to look like the blimp people selfish to the core.

Hey, don't group us all together.

 

[warriorgranny]

[middle of the school year would make it difficult for alot of folks to pull off, but I did not see anyone downing it or pulling the stunts GW is pulling with saying this rally has been canceled, no permit, a con... etc....

I personally don't see how this festival will help Ron Paul win the Nomination...but that is just my opinion....I feel it is once again not planned very well, but unlike the April 15th rally, which I did support...I can't support this one as it is asking too much of folks when the Big March is only 4 days later.....and it is what RP requested....I will not down GW or anyone else for their efforts...but they should also not try to discourage folks by stating straight up LIES....That p*sses me off.....

Nothing worse than a liar and a thief in my book...everything else is negotiable[/QUOTE]

You are correct there is nothing worse than a liar and a thief and I certainly hope you are not calling me that. The Granny warriors never have said the march has been canceled, I did ask to see the permits as we have been told by the Events police in charge that there is no rally permitted for the 12th. And I never said that this was a con. Go back and look at any posts I have made. You will prove to yourself that you are the one that is mistaken. We are not starting up lies, or trying to discourage anyone from attending your March but you do need to be more forthcoming in your answers to questions. There has never been a time when we planned an event that we didn't show our permits, our names, our phone numbers and where we lived. There are so many scam artists out and about that it only makes sense to do so and assure people of our honesty and good intent. Why hide who is organizing the march? Why not just scan and post the permit? Where is it going to start and end? simple questions and ones people need to know before planning anything. That does not make me a enemy of the March just curious since you have made such a strong statement over and over about our integrity.

 

[Deborah K]

You can contact me at [email protected] We are not "hiding" anything.

 

[steph3n]

I find it interesting using this excuse of west coast travel costs, flying to DC is $250 cheaper than flying NEAR to this "sturgis" Driving won't be cheap these days of $4 gas.........

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I find it interesting using this excuse of west coast travel costs, flying to DC is $250 cheaper than flying NEAR to this "sturgis" Driving won't be cheap these days of $4 gas.........

I agree. Self aggrandizement seems to rule the day. But they aren't the only ones bleeding support from the march. The group "American For A Free Republic" http://www.afr.org/ are doing it too:

FREEDOM FEST 2008

"The world's largest gathering of free minds"

July 10-12, 2008, Bally's/Paris Resort
www.freedomfest.com

Three Conferences in One!

So I guess the Ron Paul Revolution is doomed to cannibalize itself in it's infancy. Every little group whining and crying because it does not have primacy, and cannibalizing all the other groups. This is why the Libertarian Party self-destructed and has no impact on American politics today. Selfish self aggrandizing sectarians who care more about seeing their own name up in lights than they do about saving our Republic!

I will continue working to save our nation until I draw my last breath, and I will do everything in my power to work with those who also want to fight the good fight. But it's times like these that I can't help but think that we as a nation, and we as a liberty movement, deserve every failure we encounter on account of our acting like this. splitting our resources when we should be concentrating them, and concentrating our resources when we should be splitting them.

So go on Granny Warriors, do your thing! and go on AFR, do your thing! When the death squads start clearing us house by house, you can die happy knowing you had your fyking 15 minutes up in lights. whooppie!

"Look poppa! America is dead! but at least we had fun while she was crashing!"

If we fail in our endeavors, then this is why the Liberty movement will not succeed in America - we always eat our young. Excuse me while I go vomit. And then excuse me again while I go order another 1,000 rounds to have on hand after the total collapse of America.

For the first time since THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION we in the Liberty Movement worked together. ACTUALLY WORKED TOGETHER and we created the Ron Paul Revolution TOGETHER. Now we are splitting off in 100 directions and are destined to fail and die. Well did Benjamin Franklin speak when he said, "We must all hang together, or we will surely hang apart."

But too many of us just don't give a damn about saving our nation. We just want to be the next name on the marquee. Hallelujia! We could have ACTUALLY SAVED OUR NATION but we were too damn busy playing the fyking fiddle while Rome burned.

THANK YOU Granny Warriors! THANK YOU AFP! At least now I'll really get to use my food stores and my generator, and my hand pump for the well. I hope you are still so damn self-satisfied about your selves when the death squads are clearing our neighborhoods!

What the hell ever happened to the concept of self-sacrifice for the sake of the ultimate goal? Are Americans REALLY too fat dumb and happy to understand the concept of giving up their personal glory for the sake of accomplishing the mission?

I'm so damn angry right now that I had best stop writing right here and now.

 

[flames2dust77]

**edit - Granny although I sent you a private apology I will also apologize out on the forum. I am sorry for the rudeness I displayed here and at dailypaul.com I'm also leaving my post up as is...I was a jerk, and well, I am accepting responsibility for being one.


wow. just wow. i swear...we will be our own undoing. In fighting....not good.

And Linda....I'm sorry, but you're wrong about people on the west coast. I am in the middle of organizing a west coast caravan. ALOT of ppl are wanting to be in DC regardless of the cost. So...no, ur reasoning, well, just doesn't fly in regards to west coasters. THere is no other place we would rather be in July....Washington DC

I am truly offended that you would say the organizers of this march are conning ppl. Way to go! That is a vicious lie Linda and you know it. You are trying to plant seeds of doubt. Why? What you said on daily paul is pure speculation. You are speaking on something you know absolutely nothing about. It's one thing to want to verify things.....but it's another to make assumptions and start spreading rumors, doubt, etc.. As some one who is supposed to be wiser in regards to life experience...you sure aren't setting an example for us younger members of the movement. I used to stick up for the Grannies. I won't anymore. Never again. I was just shocked at some of the rudeness I read. And honestly Linda...I cannot for the life of me figure out why the festival would be so close to July 12. Hmmmmm.

**
But..to each their own. Like I said on daily paul...the festival in sturgis is not going to put a dent in the numbers on July 12. Let them have their festival. We need to focus on the tasks at hand. Delegates, Ron Paul Republicans, and the march. Enough with the silly nothingness being spewed all over this thread. It's not helping the movement at all...it's just one big whack ass distraction. So...just stop.

 

[flames2dust77]

So I guess the Ron Paul Revolution is doomed to cannibalize itself in it's infancy.

If things keep going this way....indeed. It will all be over and we will be doomed.

What the hell ever happened to the concept of self-sacrifice for the sake of the ultimate goal?

People are too greedy and selfish nowadays.

Are Americans REALLY too fat dumb and happy to understand the concept of giving up their personal glory for the sake of accomplishing the mission?

Yes.

I'm so damn angry right now that I had best stop writing right here and now.

Nah..you probably should have kept ranting. You make perfect sense. Someone needs to knock some sense into some of these ppl.

fyking

I really like that word...I'm going to use it in a sentence today.

 

[mdmarino]

Gunny, I'm trying to figure out the link between AFR and FreedomFest, and can't see the connection. Are they just promoting the event?
Because FreedomFest is an annual event that's gone on since 2002, according to the Wikipedia page on its founder, Mark Skousen. Actually, Ron Paul is listed as a speaker at this year's event (he was there last year too), so I was really considering going to FreedomFest before the date for the DC march was announced. Now I'm a little torn, but the financial situation makes the DC march much more affordable for me.

 

[Aratus]

D.C is centrally located if you drive either up or down the east coast.
D.C is also able to pull in people via auto who live EAST of the mightly
mississippi. i think the S.D event is something that people who are in
the great plains can drive to, air travel being what it is! methinks west
coast people are more apt to think am-trak or L.A.X insted of a long drive.
there could be dedicated people at both events, yet i think its more an HQ
question if there is a low turnout, and i would not blame Grannywarriors
until both events are fait accomplii. if the festival is utilized to logroll to the
public the bigger D.C march, and if Alex Jones helps in this, it creates the
impression that the rEVOLUTIOn is more than a sometimes regional event.
call this a proverbial one, two punch! we need both events WITH a focus on D.C!!!

WarriorGranny has just laid on you from her perspective...
it does make sense. lets all be common sense about this...

 

[Aratus]

WarriorGranny is correct...

"I am curious as to what it is that I said that was shocking to anyone? and the Rally on the 15th was not a failure and we lost no money or prestiege or anything else. We were not there to fulfill our own egos.. we were there to make a statement to Congress and the Senate which we did very well. If you look at the photos you can see the congressmen and senators standing on the patio listening to the speakers, that is what we were there to do get their attention. If only 100 people would have shown up I would have felt it a success.. Any thing to get people to wake up. We had wonderful speakers and entertainers, people laid on the grass and just enjoyed the day. It was a beautiful day and went so well I was very pleased with every aspect of it. So were the folks that were there."


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


IT WASN'T A FAILURE...
PEOPLE MET PEOPLE...
THE RALLY WAS SEEN
BY CAPITAL HILL TYPEs.

 

[Aratus]

I hope you all have enough sense to realize this is all just BS. I had applied for the April rally before Ron ever even announced his wish for a march. It was all done before any of the others started and the fees had been paid so I was not about to let it just go. The rally was a success even with the bashing and trashing done on this site by a few people. We trashed no one. But even at the entrance the police were turning away people who were standing there telling everyone the rally had been cancelled. That was not us doing that it was another group who went online and said it had been canceled. It was not and was a success with over 2000 people there with photos to prove it.

The March people are way off base again. The event in Sturgis is a solid effort to rally a revolution which is fading fast, the people on the west coast cannot aford the trip to the east we realized that way into the planning of the Rally on the 15th. Sturgis was selected then to be a point that was accessable to many of the western states and we planned on it starting before the 15th.

There is no need to be doing all this bashing unless there is a underlying motive to just ruin what we have done the past 2 years. Yes 2 years, we have been going around fighting Nais, NAU and Amnesty before Ron ever announced. There has never been a event we have organized that has been a sham or underhanded and won't be. We have not bashed anyone nor lied to or about anyone on any other event and usually have tried to help in any way possible but there are some that cannot bear to be helped as they know it all and are so big in their own egos that they think they can just write and say things without being questioned. I question most everything just as I am questioned. My name, address and phone number has always been available so people know who I am and where I live so they have some faith in our honesty. We have not betrayed that honesty in any manner and don't intend to start any time soon.

With so many millions of people in this country there is room for hundreds of rallys, marches and events and should not interfere with each other in any way. The more the better as energy and spirits wane with each loss. This Event in Sturgis is a Revolution Festival meant to be a fun time with people networking and just relaxing and having fun. It will be a success and we will have plenty of people out there no matter how hard others try to minimize it. We already have 7 bands coming, 10 workshops and 13 speakers all well known in the revolution community. We have already started taking reservations for free tent sites, RV sites and Cabin rentals, the place has a swimming pond, a swimming pool, 3 stages, skeet shooting range, 3 bars, restaurants and food vendors, it will be like a real old fashioned festival for families. The best part is it is affordable for the whole family and being held on at a time when lots are taking their vacations. The fourth will be ended with a huge fireworks display, not a few fire crackers but a real display by professionals.

I hope to see a lot of you there and wish the March in DC all the success possible.

By the way> we did not invite Ron to the festival as we knew or thought he would be in Washington DC but his staff ( Jennifer his scheduler) wrote and asked if he was invited and of course I replied that he would be more than welcome to just send me the date and time he would be there. So I guess he feels it is a good idea or he would not be interested in going to SD in July.

Linda ( Granny)
www.revolution4freedom.com

laying it flat out...

 

[Aratus]

ron paul being added to the d.c rally on april 15th helps it along!
ron paul's scheduler then asking once again for him to be part of
the S.D event is coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!
so how did this sour grapes revisionistic retro-griping ever escalate?

 

[LibertyInJeopardy]

Open Letter to Deb and Granny

This whole thing is actually easy to solve.

Issue #1:

Grannywarriors already held an event in DC. That proves they know what they're doing logistically. They say the July 12th march needs two permits.

So, Deb, if there aren't two permits issued it's better to confirm what she's saying and then correct the problem however possible.

I suggest Granny and Deb K start communicating over the phone and help eachother out. Granny - if you would please email Deb your #. Deb - if you would please email Granny your #. Last one to email must drink a cement mixer (and you don't want to do that).

Issue #2:

Grannywarriors are holding a Festival July 2-6th ... Revolution March is holding a march July 12th.

Granny,

Once issue # 1 is resolved will you please encourage everyone who is going to Freedom Festival to attend the July 12th March? Also, will you please help figure out travel arrangements? I found out that Virgin America has great flight deals to DC because they only recently opened the airline. The July 12 march is going for large numbers and we could use your help.

Deb,

Granny had some great suggestions on how to save money and logistics. Please get all the advice you can from her. Once everything is set - which at some point it will be - please help promote attending BOTH events. Also if you find out any useful logistics please let Granny know.


That's the quickest way I can see all this perceived tension dissolving. Everybody just needs to relax a bit and work together because we are more powerful independently working together than disfunctionally pushing apart.

 

[warriorgranny]

Would you clarify please?

They are being childish in this sense that they came on this forum prior to their event and saw people degrading everything they were doing..
Pushing people away, saying it was a dumb idea...
And now they are returning the favor.

Guess thats karma.

Would you please state just who you are talking about being childish? I am confused either due to age or to the many many posts here that are not making much sense what so ever. Were you at the rally? If so you can verify it was successful. and returning what favor? we have never trashed the march people. I just talked to Debra and it seems that the people putting the trash out here are not even connected with the march organizers that is according to Debra. I don't see the problem here. We aren't trashing them and they are not trashing us so who is it that is so upset by either of our events? Debra did acknowledge that they had made the mistake of not posting their information and will be doing that asap so people will know who it is that is actually organizing this event. That should make it very plain that neither of us is trying to ruin anything for either event. there is room and time for both and many more. perhaps the ones doing all the talking here should have their own event and give us a rest?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

[emphasis added]

wow. just wow. i swear...we will be our own undoing. In fighting....not good.

And Linda....I'm sorry, but you're wrong about people on the west coast. I am in the middle of organizing a west coast caravan. ALOT of ppl are wanting to be in DC regardless of the cost. So...no, ur reasoning, well, just doesn't fly in regards to west coasters. THere is no other place we would rather be in July....Washington DC

I am truly offended that you would say the organizers of this march are conning ppl. Way to go! That is a vicious lie Linda and you know it. You are trying to plant seeds of doubt. Why? What you said on daily paul is pure speculation. You are speaking on something you know absolutely nothing about. It's one thing to want to verify things.....but it's another to make assumptions and start spreading rumors, doubt, etc.. As some one who is supposed to be wiser in regards to life experience...you sure aren't setting an example for us younger members of the movement. I used to stick up for the Grannies. I won't anymore. Never again. I was just shocked at some of the rudeness I read. And honestly Linda...I cannot for the life of me figure out why the festival would be so close to July 12. Hmmmmm.

**
But..to each their own. Like I said on daily paul...the festival in sturgis is not going to put a dent in the numbers on July 12. Let them have their festival. We need to focus on the tasks at hand. Delegates, Ron Paul Republicans, and the march. Enough with the silly nothingness being spewed all over this thread. It's not helping the movement at all...it's just one big whack ass distraction. So...just stop.

+1776

This whole thing is actually easy to solve.

Issue #1:

Grannywarriors already held an event in DC. That proves they know what they're doing logistically. They say the July 12th march needs two permits.

So, Deb, if there aren't two permits issued it's better to confirm what she's saying and then correct the problem however possible.

I suggest Granny and Deb K start communicating over the phone and help eachother out. Granny - if you would please email Deb your #. Deb - if you would please email Granny your #. Last one to email must drink a cement mixer (and you don't want to do that).

Issue #2:

Grannywarriors are holding a Festival July 2-6th ... Revolution March is holding a march July 12th.

Granny,

Once issue # 1 is resolved will you please encourage everyone who is going to Freedom Festival to attend the July 12th March? Also, will you please help figure out travel arrangements? I found out that Virgin America has great flight deals to DC because they only recently opened the airline. The July 12 march is going for large numbers and we could use your help.

Deb,

Granny had some great suggestions on how to save money and logistics. Please get all the advice you can from her. Once everything is set - which at some point it will be - please help promote attending BOTH events. Also if you find out any useful logistics please let Granny know.


That's the quickest way I can see all this perceived tension dissolving. Everybody just needs to relax a bit and work together because we are more powerful independently working together than disfunctionally pushing apart.

++2008 - welcome to the forums

 

[Deborah K]

This whole thing is actually easy to solve.

Issue #1:

Grannywarriors already held an event in DC. That proves they know what they're doing logistically. They say the July 12th march needs two permits.

So, Deb, if there aren't two permits issued it's better to confirm what she's saying and then correct the problem however possible.

I suggest Granny and Deb K start communicating over the phone and help eachother out. Granny - if you would please email Deb your #. Deb - if you would please email Granny your #. Last one to email must drink a cement mixer (and you don't want to do that).

Issue #2:

Grannywarriors are holding a Festival July 2-6th ... Revolution March is holding a march July 12th.

Granny,

Once issue # 1 is resolved will you please encourage everyone who is going to Freedom Festival to attend the July 12th March? Also, will you please help figure out travel arrangements? I found out that Virgin America has great flight deals to DC because they only recently opened the airline. The July 12 march is going for large numbers and we could use your help.

Deb,

Granny had some great suggestions on how to save money and logistics. Please get all the advice you can from her. Once everything is set - which at some point it will be - please help promote attending BOTH events. Also if you find out any useful logistics please let Granny know.


That's the quickest way I can see all this perceived tension dissolving. Everybody just needs to relax a bit and work together because we are more powerful independently working together than disfunctionally pushing apart.

Great minds think alike! As you were writing this, Linda and I were talking.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=135018

 

[Oyate]

IMHO, none of this is a big deal. Grannies did a great job at their rally, I hope we can do as good a job with RevMarch. I don't care how many people were there, the important thing is they pulled it off. The pictures look great. It looked like a fantastic day.

Come to DC or go to SD, do both. This isn't a competition or a contest. There will be no prizes handed out. This is ALL OF OUR MOVEMENT. Nobody has a monopoly. The important thing is that we're teaching ourselves how to mobilize as a movement.