Grannywarriors trying to split support for DC March AGAIN!!!

[RonPaulVolunteer]

This whole thing is actually easy to solve.

Issue #1:

Grannywarriors already held an event in DC. That proves they know what they're doing logistically.

Ah.. no it does not, but the 200 people that came proves no one takes a whole lot of notice of their events.

Enough with splitting the people. This is a serious matter, and if you can't make the sacrifice to come to Washington, you need to reconsider what you're fighting for. We need to make history on the 12th, not fodder for SNL.

 

[ARealConservative]

Ah.. no it does not, but the 200 people that came proves no one takes a whole lot of notice of their events.

Enough with splitting the people. This is a serious matter, and if you can't make the sacrifice to come to Washington, you need to reconsider what you're fighting for. We need to make history on the 12th, not fodder for SNL.

I'm not making the sacrifice because I find it an enormous waste of time for me personally.

Some people like large group gatherings.

Some people think it will garner major publicity.

For those people, great.

but you cross the line by questioning those of us that don't go.

I would prefer to not say anything to belittle your causes, but when I see that you question the motives of those not coming, I have read enough.

I'm a $2,000 donor. I've given to all the Ron Paul politicians. I am a meetup organizer, a precinct captain, and took drives to the Iowa Straw Poll and the Illinois State Fair Straw poll.

I'm focusing on my local community alone from here on out. I will not be driving or flying across country for this rally.

 

[steph3n]

I agree and this is why the Libertarian Party is DOOMED. They are disorganized attention whores that all wants the power.

This is not the way it should be.

I agree. Self aggrandizement seems to rule the day. But they aren't the only ones bleeding support from the march. The group "American For A Free Republic" http://www.afr.org/ are doing it too:



So I guess the Ron Paul Revolution is doomed to cannibalize itself in it's infancy. Every little group whining and crying because it does not have primacy, and cannibalizing all the other groups. This is why the Libertarian Party self-destructed and has no impact on American politics today. Selfish self aggrandizing sectarians who care more about seeing their own name up in lights than they do about saving our Republic!

I will continue working to save our nation until I draw my last breath, and I will do everything in my power to work with those who also want to fight the good fight. But it's times like these that I can't help but think that we as a nation, and we as a liberty movement, deserve every failure we encounter on account of our acting like this. splitting our resources when we should be concentrating them, and concentrating our resources when we should be splitting them.

So go on Granny Warriors, do your thing! and go on AFR, do your thing! When the death squads start clearing us house by house, you can die happy knowing you had your fyking 15 minutes up in lights. whooppie!

"Look poppa! America is dead! but at least we had fun while she was crashing!"

If we fail in our endeavors, then this is why the Liberty movement will not succeed in America - we always eat our young. Excuse me while I go vomit. And then excuse me again while I go order another 1,000 rounds to have on hand after the total collapse of America.

For the first time since THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION we in the Liberty Movement worked together. ACTUALLY WORKED TOGETHER and we created the Ron Paul Revolution TOGETHER. Now we are splitting off in 100 directions and are destined to fail and die. Well did Benjamin Franklin speak when he said, "We must all hang together, or we will surely hang apart."

But too many of us just don't give a damn about saving our nation. We just want to be the next name on the marquee. Hallelujia! We could have ACTUALLY SAVED OUR NATION but we were too damn busy playing the fyking fiddle while Rome burned.

THANK YOU Granny Warriors! THANK YOU AFP! At least now I'll really get to use my food stores and my generator, and my hand pump for the well. I hope you are still so damn self-satisfied about your selves when the death squads are clearing our neighborhoods!

What the hell ever happened to the concept of self-sacrifice for the sake of the ultimate goal? Are Americans REALLY too fat dumb and happy to understand the concept of giving up their personal glory for the sake of accomplishing the mission?

I'm so damn angry right now that I had best stop writing right here and now.

 

[torchbearer]

I agree and this is why the Libertarian Party is DOOMED. They are disorganized attention whores that all wants the power.

This is not the way it should be.

WHen did the libertarian party get involved in dc rallies? the LP wasn't even invited.
I know it makes ya feel better to blame something you don't like. but use some sense boy. You are bitching about people being divisive... and then you say something that insults half the people here.

Aren't you then being divisive? and a hypocrit?

 

[steph3n]

WHen did the libertarian party get involved in dc rallies? the LP wasn't even invited.
I know it makes ya feel better to blame something you don't like. but use some sense boy. You are bitching about people being divisive... and then you say something that insults half the people here.

Aren't you then being divisive? and a hypocrit?

I know they aren't involved, and I don't care if the truth is insulting. The LP can't get along, we need to learn from mistakes and stick together.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I know they aren't involved, and I don't care if the truth is insulting. The LP can't get along, we need to learn from mistakes and stick together.

I agree -- pointing out that we are destroying ourselves and our movement by failing to work together is not, itself divisive. I'm sure that some people were offended when Ben Franklin pointed out the same thing in the runup to the American Revolution. That did not, however, make Ben Franklin less correct in his assessment.

 

[torchbearer]

I agree -- pointing out that we are destroying ourselves and our movement by failing to work together is not, itself divisive. I'm sure that some people were offended when Ben Franklin pointed out the same thing in the runup to the American Revolution. That did not, however, make Ben Franklin less correct in his assessment.

And what I'm saying is the LP in Louisiana as I know it doesn't have this issue, so it is insulting and divisive to continue to say Libertarians are failures because they can't work together. That statement is not true.
You want unity, yet degrade a group of people without warrant.
You can find individuals that don't get along in any group.

SO- are you for unity or just painting an entire group of people as inadequate in the fight for liberty?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And what I'm saying is the LP in Louisiana as I know it doesn't have this issue, so it is insulting and divisive to continue to say Libertarians are failures because they can't work together. That statement is not true.
You want unity, yet degrade a group of people without warrant.
You can find individuals that don't get along in any group.

SO- are you for unity or just painting an entire group of people as inadequate in the fight for liberty?

Look, I love the LP. Seriously. But if we want to save the nation then we have to face reality. When is the last time the LP got more than 1% of the national vote?

I'm not trying to be an ass here. But as Albert Einstein said, that "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The problem here is that the Liberty Movement in general is by it's very nature one of the most fractious movements in world history. People of the liberty movement tend to up and decide that they don't like what the other guy is doing so they do their own thing, and this splits the base of support into divergent directions. Why do you think that there was a hard core of Libertarians who HATED Ron Paul this election cycle? Did they not have some one minor point of disagreement, and said "damn that!" they were going to do their own thing because they'd rather stay philosophically pure than to save the nation behind this "Ron Paul guy."

The GW/RM split is an example of this same fractiousness. The April 15th march came about because the GW's insisted that 'the rest of us' can't or won't do anything to make a statement. Then this new gathering is being done because 'the other guys are incompetent, and besides, a Saturday gathering is meaningless.' That's fractiousness, no matter how you look at it.

You may not like it, torchbearer, but we have to do something different than we have done over the last 100 years if we expect different results. If we just bury our heads in the sand and continue with business as usual, then all we will get in our government, I'm sorry to say, is business as usual.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I do agree that we need to use the right "vehicle" to take back the country and the L.P. is not it, nor is the constitutional party for that matter.

I still wish Ron Paul would have "played the game" to get elected then make the changes we need. We don't play on an even playing field and need to MAKE PLAYS HAPPEN and I HOPE Ron Paul has a few things still up his sleeves....

He could have went with a "Basic" platform that would have odds are gotten MASS appeal. I don't think anyone who supports him would even object to this because what matters ARE RESULTS once time goes by. You never remember what happened while bill clinton was running anymore because all we can remember was he was president.

Hindsight is amazing isn't it.

My thoughts, keep it local. Take the nation back city by city and show people IN each city what true liberty is like.

If we get enough cities AWAKE we can get the next election no problem.

Also, stop griping at each other what does it even solve?

The april rally was small, got it but where was yours? at least the grannies TRIED (not directed at ONE person) but don't assume I think we all are not trying because I know we are.

What is happening is what we all knew would happen, too amped up for so long can only go DOWN. Keep a steady effort going with no BIG HIGHS and LOW LOWS but steady and stable and focus on the overall goal here.

I think the grannies said they have been working for 2 years on various issues they are trying to fight and joining in the rp effort was just an extension in their already going effort which is great.

We just also need to remember though that Ron Paul and many others have been fighting for this for 20+ years and are STILL calm, cool and continuing the fight.

get it together people.

 

[Aratus]

this is where several groups in a losely knit alliance can accomplish more than each group
individually. life becomes less redundant. having money quarrels out in full view is sometimes
a dysfunctionality. also, there are people who have ALREADY given their all. in D.C if people
connect up with the 9/10th of the city that is not an automatic tourist haven or trap, you
swell the figures for any march. its almost a total hubris to go ask people to travel across
the continent for a rally or march you have made impossible for the locals to participate in!

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Washington DC in '08 or FEMA Camp in '09.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Washington DC in '08 or FEMA Camp in '09.

aint that the truth

 

[jmdrake]

*sigh* This type if infighting is what happens when people really don't anything productive to do or they can't think of anything productive to do. Ron Paul will be in Bowling Green KY in May, that's close to me, KY still has a primary and THAT is the rally I'm going to. For everybody else please have fun at whatever march you attend and quit attacking others for what they do or don't do.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

yup, or take that anger and griping and put it into a proactive way. Gripe at obama and mccain fans instead. Lets make sure and stick together even if our overall goal is expanding in so many directions.

We all know what we are for and if we KEEP DOING SOMETHING it will end up being productive UNLESS there is intentional sabotage within the groups.

Either way, get passed this kiddy fighting and get back to work fighting to get our country back. We are ALL on the same side here anyways.

I think we are all just pissed off due to plenty of things that did transpire throughout the various campaign efforts we all took part in. Some were greedy trying to rake in $2k a piece like those blimpsters and some actually WANT to help and do what they can.

Keep fighting just not each other.

 

[enjoiskaterguy]

Washington DC in '08 or FEMA Camp in '09.

seems that way.

 

[enjoiskaterguy]

yup, or take that anger and griping and put it into a proactive way. Gripe at obama and mccain fans instead. Lets make sure and stick together even if our overall goal is expanding in so many directions.

We all know what we are for and if we KEEP DOING SOMETHING it will end up being productive UNLESS there is intentional sabotage within the groups.

Either way, get passed this kiddy fighting and get back to work fighting to get our country back. We are ALL on the same side here anyways.

I think we are all just pissed off due to plenty of things that did transpire throughout the various campaign efforts we all took part in. Some were greedy trying to rake in $2k a piece like those blimpsters and some actually WANT to help and do what they can.

Keep fighting just not each other.

I agree with your statements but I'll tell ya man, I'm worried that if we keep having events so close together, with our calapsing monetary system, people won't have the money to spend to go to D.C and our numbers will be slashed in half.

 

[H Roark]

del

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

locking this thread, if anyone has a problem with that PM me, thanks