Governor Set To Remove Confederate Flag

[Carlybee]

I compare the whole thing to book burning. They'll probably try to force Texas to take the Lone Star down one of these days as being offensive to Mexicans.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Berlin c. 1945?

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)

 

[Carlybee]

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[cindy25]

Maybe but so far it's not like the Sandy Hook aftermath. The shouts for gun control are there but the rush on ammo and the gouging isn't.

which might be a problem. maybe the people are ready to fold on gun control also.

 

[Origanalist]

Berlin c. 1945?

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)

Dresden.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Dresden.

...and every other city in Germany.

My ancestors' home, Stuttgart, is currently a hill above the new city.

The hill is built from the rubble of the old city, and the bodies of its former inhabitants.

 

[DFF]

Dresden was so utterly horrific that it's difficult to even think about.

Hopefully Churchill earned a trip to the seventh layer of Hell for this war crime of war crimes.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Britain's "city busting" had (and was recognized at the time as having) no military purpose.

It was was pure murder.

If there is a God, Churchill is indeed burning in hell.

....as is William Sherman.

 

[twomp]

It's pretty funny to see how much people have invested into a stupid flag. (On both sides of the argument.) It's like the media said, I want you sheep to argue about this! And you morons start arguing! A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag and now people are talking about losing their HERITAGE and RACE WARS LMAO!!!

 

[r3volution 3.0]

A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag...

Speak for yourself.

As far as I'm concerned, it is the single most important episode in American history after the first war of independence.

Some of us have cared for a long time indeed.

If you just caught on in the last two days, you need catching up.

 

[ChiefJustice]

^^^Read the thread I cited earlier

If and when you appear to have understood the contents thereof, we'll talk.

Till then, sorry for calling you an imbecile, but I call it like I see it.

Don't have opinions on subjects about which you know nothing.

I don't actually care if you call me an imbecile. Ironic statement you underlined there because it seems you are lost in the delusion that slavery was not the major issue that led to the secession. Why is it that all of the attempted compromises in the frenzy leading up to Lincoln's election had to do with the issue of slavery? The economic/tariff factors are exaggerated and pale in comparison to the importance of slavery in leading to the war.

You quote the President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. Of course he would make a statement indicating that the secession and formation of the CSA had to do with economic factors. Do you think it would be beneficial for Davis and the Confederates to admit that the preservation of slavery was behind its formation? Remember that the Southerners once upon a time would refer to slavery as a "necessary evil". Evil. The President of the CSA will name anything else as the motivation behind the entity.

 

[twomp]

I don't actually care if you call me an imbecile. Ironic statement you underlined there because it seems you are lost in the delusion that slavery was not the major issue that led to the secession. Why is it that all of the attempted compromises in the frenzy leading up to Lincoln's election had to do with the issue of slavery? The economic/tariff factors are exaggerated and pale in comparison to the importance of slavery in leading to the war.

You quote the President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. Of course he would make a statement indicating that the secession and formation of the CSA had to do with economic factors. Do you think it would be beneficial for Davis and the Confederates to admit that the preservation of slavery was behind its formation? Remember that the Southerners once upon a time would refer to slavery as a "necessary evil". Evil. The President of the CSA will name anything else as the motivation behind the entity.

Can I ask why all of a sudden you care about this flag so much? Is this an issue you have been advocating all your life? Do you wake up everyday and shake your head at the thought of this flag flying? Are you even from South Carolina? It's just a fking flag. You most likely didn't give a shit about it until the media told you to give a shit about it.

 

[ChiefJustice]

Can I ask why all of a sudden you care about this flag so much? Is this an issue you have been advocating all your life? Do you wake up everyday and shake your head at the thought of this flag flying? Are you even from South Carolina? It's just a fking flag. You most likely didn't give a shit about it until the media told you to give a shit about it.

I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

 

[twomp]

I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

Really? IF the you weren't suckered into caring why haven't you brought up this flag issue before? You seem SO PASSIONATE about it. Why bring it up now if you have cared about this issue soooo much?? Hmm?? Is it only this flag that you care so much about? What about the Chinese flag or the Al Qaeda flag or the Canadian flag? Do any of those flags cause you to lose sleep?

 

[Origanalist]

I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

In truth you haven't been here much, so there's that.

 

[Origanalist]

Really? IF the you weren't suckered into caring why haven't you brought up this flag issue before? You seem SO PASSIONATE about it. Why bring it up now if you have cared about this issue soooo much?? Hmm?? Is it only this flag that you care so much about? What about the Chinese flag or the Al Qaeda flag or the Canadian flag? Do any of those flags cause you to lose sleep?

 

[wizardwatson]

It's pretty funny to see how much people have invested into a stupid flag. (On both sides of the argument.) It's like the media said, I want you sheep to argue about this! And you morons start arguing! A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag and now people are talking about losing their HERITAGE and RACE WARS LMAO!!!

First off the "race war" angle was precisely the point as Dylann said himself. The problem is that the flag isn't about race to people who understand the truth and history. Let's remember that Lincoln was no less of a racist than a Southerner and that the North was still segregated.

Like 9/11, or the Federal Reserve, or Al Qaeda there are many truths and histories that people on here believe and know. Just because we don't talk about them constantly doesn't mean we don't "hold these truths to be self-evident". It's really assumed to me that people understand the Civil War was a lie on this forum.

Now when they go after this flag as if it's about race it isn't "racism" that's defending and speaking truth to the meaning of that flag. It's just truth. And to frame it as racism is to bury the truth of secessionism and it's reasons from the public view. That's the reason to speak up about the flag. It's essentially an attack on truth. Because WHAT IS ATTACKING the flag right now is essentially the same lying mentality that caused the union to split in the first place and now it seems they are coming in to finish the kill and in addition rewrite history.

We care about it now, or should, because it's relevant now. If someone comes and tries to rewrite the narrative for 9/11, or Iraq, or Vietnam, then we speak up about those things at that time.

Pretty simple.

Yes, the "media" and Dylann Roof and his puppet-masters whether they be direct or indirect initiated the assault but that doesn't mean that all sides are manufactured. There's always an enemy and an objective from whichever side you view it.

 

[ChiefJustice]

In truth you haven't been here much, so there's that.

So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.

I lurked and posted during the Ron Paul campaign because I was/am a big supporter of his. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter of the Confederacy and why people still seek to defend it. As someone who loves history I happen to take particular interest in this discussion.

Any input?

 

[Origanalist]

So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.

I lurked and posted during the Ron Paul campaign because I was/am a big supporter of his. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter of the Confederacy and why people still seek to defend it. As someone who loves history I happen to take particular interest in this discussion.

Any input?

This subject has been discussed over and over here. I'm more concerned with the people who consider the empire that resulted from the civil war morally superior to the confederacy than those that those that wish to remember it. Are the people who fly the flag demanding Maine take down the stars and stripes?

 

[osan]

Berlin c. 1945? This is the primary reason the S

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)

Southerners, even most of their lowest trash, were gentlemen, at least in terms in their basic manners. This in stark, glaring contrast to the low and mannerless northerner, again speaking to the mean. No southern officer would ever have allowed such a thing. Northern officers? I can see many northern officers, pragmatic scum that they appear to have been when compared with their southern counterparts, loosing their men upon the civilian populations in the same way that kings past routinely did to reward their troops for loyal action, no matter how appallingly criminal.

This is precisely why the South lost. It had less to do with industrial economic might than with adherence to principles of chivalry. Had the South been willing to lower themselves to the level of the northern scum, they would still have likely lost, but would have given the North a far greater beating. I confess being torn between the options.