Governor Nixon removing STL PD from Ferguson

[twomp]

Did you hear about the white guy with the dog who wanted to lend support to the protesters last night? They nearly attacked him and chased him off. They erroneously thought he was a cop. That tells you how far gone some of these people are.

Let me guess, saw it on Fox news? The bastion of fair and balanced journalism? For future reference, please link these stories that you "hear" about. Not saying you are lying, it just helps to see who the writer of your story is and see if there is any bias.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder what would happen if they, the St. Louis County cops, said "no"?

 

[presence]

Missouri governor: Highway patrol will direct security in Ferguson

By Michael Pearson, Ana Cabrera and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
updated 5:27 PM EDT, Thu August 14, 2014


He just gave his speech its on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

CNN's Don Lemon reports live from Ferguson, Missouri, today from 10p.m. ET until midnight. Tune in to CNN TV or watch live online or on your mobile device using the Watch CNN feature.
Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- State troopers are taking over security in Ferguson, Missouri, after days of clashes between local police and protesters.
Gov. Jay Nixon said he decided to put the Missouri State Highway Patrol in charge of security because "at this particular point, the attitudes weren't improving, and the blocks towards expression appeared to be a flashpoint."
Lately, the community of Ferguson, which has been the scene of clashes in the wake of a weekend police shooting that left teenager Michael Brown dead, has looked "more like a war zone, and it's not acceptable," Nixon said.
Now, authorities -- who've faced accusations that they've used excessive force in response to demonstrations -- will be taking a different tack in an effort to calm tensions, officials said Thursday.

"We're all about making sure that we allow peaceful and appropriate protests, that we use force only when necessary, that we step back a little bit and let some of the energy be felt in this region, appropriately," Nixon said

Chosen by the state's governor to head up the new security operation, Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson said he planned to meet with protesters Thursday.

"We are going to have a different approach and have the approach that we're in this together," he said.

Police chief: City is a 'powder keg'

Earlier Thursday, the city's police chief described it as a "powder keg."

"The whole situation is not good at this point," Chief Thomas Jackson said a day after clashes in which police fired smoke bombs, tear gas and rubber pellets at protesters who he said had thrown firebombs at police and engaged in gunfire.

Jackson said police would talk about changing "not only the tactics but also the appearance" of law enforcement.

U.S. Justice Department officials have offered to assist local authorities to help them control crowds

"without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force,"

Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement Thursday. The offer has been accepted, he said.
Jackson said protesters also have to do their share by remaining peaceful.

Governor: 'This has clearly touched a nerve'

Ferguson has been the scene of protests since Saturday, when a police officer shot and killed Brown, who was unarmed. Police say he was trying to grab the officer's gun. Witnesses say the 18-year-old was holding his hands in the air when he was fatally shot.


Protesters are angry that police have not released the officer's name and worry that a cover-up is in effect. St. Louis County police and federal investigators are looking into Brown's death. No charges have been filed.

Although locals say race relations have long been troubled between the city's mostly African-American population and the mostly white police force, anger spilled out after Brown's death, resulting in protests, violence, looting and fires.

Brown's death and protests over the case have resonated far beyond that city, Nixon said Thursday.


"These are deep and existing problems not only in Missouri but in America, and this has clearly touched a nerve," he said.
President Barack Obama also spoke out.

"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," he said. "There is also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights."
Their comments came after a night in which heavily armed police and protesters clashed, two reporters were briefly detained and an Al Jazeera America camera crew complained that police shot tear gas at them.

After ordering protesters and reporters to turn off their cameras, police fired smoke bombs, tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters after some threw objects at them Wednesday, according to media accounts. CNN crews have not been ordered to turn off their cameras during the protests.
Twelve people were arrested, Jackson said. Two officers were injured, including one whose ankle was broken when a brick was thrown at him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," he said. "There is also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights."

But, yet, it still happened...

 

[presence]

"You're in trouble when your SWAT team is on the front line of dealing with a civil disturbance,"

retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honore said Thursday.


In 2005, Honore was dispatched to New Orleans to lead recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government said it was facing "urban warfare." Honore famously told police to lower their weapons and defused the tense situation.


"I've seen this done successfully in the past where you have your front line policemen on the front until people start throwing things. Then you have your riot control squads in the back," Honore said on "CNN Newsroom" on Thursday. "The tactics they are using, I don't know where they learned them from. It appears they may be making them up on the way. But this is escalating the situation."







"Any time we have policemen pointing weapons at American citizens, they need to go through retraining," Honor added. "And I think we are about 24 hours too late."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-ferguson-police-tactics/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

 

[phill4paul]

But, yet, it still happened...

...and not a damn thing will be done to those that did it.

 

[JK/SEA]

But, yet, it still happened...

still happening...

either way...

 

[AuH20]

Let me guess, saw it on Fox news? The bastion of fair and balanced journalism? For future reference, please link these stories that you "hear" about. Not saying you are lying, it just helps to see who the writer of your story is and see if there is any bias.

Social media. One of the indy journalists there was talking about it.

 

[AuH20]

Who the hell are "these people"? The peaceful protestors who were tear gassed? Assaulted by SWAT?

The "these people" we should be criticizing are the gov goons who can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If the cops are all white, I'd be suspicious myself.

As for those on the forum making the looting a bigger deal than the shooting- let's just hope that it isn't your loved one someday lying dead on the street because of an ego ridden po-po.

The looting was a minor event by a few- the shooting was a major event and damned permanent.

I think we know who "these people" are. There are black people and then 'these people' a.k.a the lost children of the urban jungle. Self-respecting black people don't normally burn down their neighborhoods. And they don't gun down their neighbors for pair of gaudy kicks made in Asia. 'Those people' tend to do so, as much as the PC crowd wants to throw a temper tantrum when it's empirically proven. I honestly feel for the people who don't want to partake in this particular nasty social experiment.

 

[TheCount]

I think we know who "these people" are. There are black people and then 'these people' a.k.a the lost children of the urban jungle.

 

[AuH20]

All is well now. Problem solved.

 

[ProIndividual]

The problem is solved by trotting out a token house slave and overseer to placate the field slaves? The problem is solved by further centralizing the authority used to deal with the matter within the monopoly on law enforcement? As opposed to allowing competition through decentralization? Yeah, and if this doesn't work in the end, they'll just further centralize the authority until they run out of layers in the hierarchy. And then the monopoly becomes apparent, and the "changes" in authority are seen for what they are...changing which head of the hydra (multi-headed dragon) is eating you.

 

[tod evans]

The problem is solved by trotting out a token house slave and overseer to placate the field slaves? The problem is solved by further centralizing the authority used to deal with the matter within the monopoly on law enforcement? As opposed to allowing competition through decentralization? Yeah, and if this doesn't work in the end, they'll just further centralize the authority until they run out of layers in the hierarchy. And then the monopoly becomes apparent, and the "changes" in authority are seen for what they are...changing which head of the hydra (multi-headed dragon) is eating you.

I think you may be giving more credit than is due....

We'll see...

 

[aGameOfThrones]

"We're all about making sure that we allow peaceful and appropriate protests, that we use force only when necessary, that we step back a little bit and let some of the energy be felt in this region, appropriately," Nixon said

..

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Why do black people always loot and burn their own neighborhoods when they get mad at the cops? It's never made any sense.

Because they're the ones who are constant targets of police and have no other outlet (as someone pointed out earlier, for them to fight back against the police would be a death wish).

I'm not condoning the looting of private businesses within their own community but this is their way of grabbing the attention of the police and the outside public. Unfortunately, those who react like this fail to realize that the police state will now only grow in size and scope, especially within these communities.

 

[Schifference]

Arresting and charging the cop who murdered that man would have prevented all of this. That would be too easy, I guess. Besides:

"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking about if we can't use it?"
--Madeleine Albright

I agree. After all the police logic is just submit to arrest and plead your case in court.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Why do black people always loot and burn their own neighborhoods when they get mad at the cops? It's never made any sense.

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

 

[tod evans]

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

Waco, Ruby Ridge...

 

[AuH20]

When has a predominantly white neighborhood ever had a reason to be mad at the cops (to the same extent as the poverty-stricken black neighborhoods)?

Plenty of reasons. We had a SWAT team gun down a white kid armed with a spoon a few year back. No rioting. No one threw bricks through a Whole Foods window or knocked off Nordstrom's for spring-wear. Not even a knocked over recycling bin. It's total horseshit why anyone would tolerate this behavior. If they attacked the police department I could understand....

 

[orenbus]