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[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Whoa, you sure do use the word faggot alot. Far more than me or any other gay person I know combined. Got any repressed feelings you want to let out?

An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Like I said, if I am going to be repeatedly accused of ad hominems I am sure as hell going to earn it...

 

[HazyHusky420]

An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Like I said, if I am going to be repeatedly accused of ad hominems I am sure as hell going to earn it...

I wasn't attacking you. All I did was ask a question based on observations.

What were my observations? You say faggot alot more than me or any other gay person I know, which leads me to believe you might have some repressed feelings. If not, then why do you care so much about homosexuality? Two consenting adults associating in a way that makes them happy has no effect on you. If it's because of some of the outrageous things done at gay pride events then I can sympathize because I myself hate being associated with those types, but nonetheless you did use the word faggot alot for a heterosexual.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Your reply shows your bigotry,

Which is it, ad hominem or bigotry? If you are going to repeatedly accuse me of bigotry I can earn that one too with even more colorful metaphors?

and the simple fact that even in the light of science you will refuse to change your mind.

You can't explain what proof is and there is no way to have a conversation on science when one party can't cover the basics such as explaining proof.

Thus, I reply for those who use their brains for more than keeping their ears apart.

1. We speak of consenting, law abiding, tax paying, non-related adult citizens. Not murders, bestiality, or rapists. You do indeed offer nothing but argument fallacies.

You don't know what a fallacy is, just throw around the terms. People who assert fallacy can explain the fallacy... you can't.

2. I suggest you look up the term "scientific theory". Like many who remain willfully ignorant, you confuse the term "theory" and "hypothesis" as applied to science.

3. Your argument is simply disproved before it starts by the simple facts of...

a. People suffering under ex-gay "ministries" admit they are still gay and merely living a straight lifestyle.

The hypocrisy is not the belief, the hypocrisy is inconsistency of belief and that you would persecute child molesters claiming they made the choice to do it. If you simply develop a consistent coherent belief and stop persecuting child molesters I have no further comment, I simply can't stand hypocrites who pretend to be something they are not claiming it's ok for some people to do something (same sex attraction) yet it's not ok for other people to do the exact same thing (child sex attraction).

b. Scientific peer review groups, such as the APA, note inherent damage to individuals who force themselves through these programs.
c. Even the founder of the first ex-gay "ministry" in the US now counsels gays who have suffered through these programs, saw them for the lies they are, and returned living as per their nature.

And finally...

d. Science proves you wrong.

What is proof again?

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I wasn't attacking you. All I did was ask a question based on observations.

What were my observations? You say faggot alot more than me or any other gay person I know, which leads me to believe you might have some repressed feelings. If not, then why do you care so much about homosexuality? Two consenting adults associating in a way that makes them happy has no effect on you. If it's because of some of the outrageous things done at gay pride events then I can sympathize because I myself hate being associated with those types, but nonetheless you did use the word faggot alot for a heterosexual.

I am not feeling attacked. I could care less about gay pride events or the gay community except that of individual rights. What irks me is AxisMundi throwing around terms he can't explain and just reusing them. I am excessively using the word faggot to make a point to that poster demonstrating a proper ad hominem, If other forum members want to get all offended over my exaggerated use if the word faggot to construct a proper ad hominem I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[HazyHusky420]

I simply can't stand hypocrites who pretend to be something they are not claiming it's ok for some people to do something (same sex attraction) yet it's not ok for other people to do the exact same thing (child sex attraction).

Uhhh how is pedophilia and homosexuality the same? Kids don't want to be raped by older people. However two adults of the same sex might want to be together.

I prefer the same sex yet I hate kids. Explain that.

 

[HazyHusky420]

I am not feeling attacked. I could care less about gay pride events or the gay community except that of individual rights. What irks me is AxisMundi throwing around terms he can't explain and just reusing them. I am excessively using the word faggot to make a point to that poster demonstrating a proper ad hominem, If other forum members want to get all offended over my exaggerated use if the word faggot to construct a proper ad hominem I won't lose any sleep over it.

I'm not offended by your use of the word faggot, i'm actually amused, and your exaggerated use of the word makes you look like a closet case.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I'm not offended by your use of the word faggot, i'm actually amused, and your exaggerated use of the word makes you look like a closet case.

lol, maybe i am, maybe i am not. The only thing I know in life is that I don't know. I do not know my name only what other people have told me my name is.

Uhhh how is pedophilia and homosexuality the same? Kids don't want to be raped by older people. However two adults of the same sex might want to be together.

I prefer the same sex yet I hate kids. Explain that.

I did not mention rape or any force. I am referring to acts of consent. I am sure I could dig up a few teachers that have been persecuted for consensual sex because they are attracted to teenagers.

Beyond sex, how can you claim sexual orientation is not choice but social orientation is?

Edit: After scrolling up, I did state child molester. Poor verbaige on my part. I am using the phrase child molestor in the context of having sex with someone under 18,

 

[HazyHusky420]

how can you claim sexual orientation is not choice but social orientation is?

maybe most don't remember choosing it. I sure as hell don't, and I live in a very homophobic area.

Ever considered birth order? Gays, left handed people and people with counter clockwise hair often have older siblings and the three groups overlap alot. I mean I don't see why large chunks of left-handed and counter-twirling haired people would choose to be gay any more than the same percentage of people with normal hair and a preference for their right hand, and yes I do have two older brothers. The oldest is a right-handed heterosexual, the other is a left-handed heterosexual and i'm an ambidextrous homosexual with a slight preference for my right hand.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

maybe most don't remember choosing it. I sure as hell don't, and I live in a very homophobic area.

Ever considered birth order? Gays, left handed people and people with counter clockwise hair often have older siblings and the three groups overlap alot. I mean I don't see why large chunks of left-handed and counter-twirling haired people would choose to be gay any more than the same percentage of people with normal hair and a preference for their right hand, and yes I do have two older brothers. The oldest is a right-handed heterosexual, the other is a left-handed heterosexual and i'm an ambidextrous homosexual with a slight preference for my right hand.

My only interest in posing the question is justice. I am not prepared to persecute someone for being who they are.

If the philosophical doctrine of the gay community is the sexual and social orientation of human beings is not choice and happiness is not something that can be pursued because biological chemistry pre-determines what makes one happy I am not on board with a justice system that says the biological chemistry of these people is ok but people with that biological chemistry must be murdered.

 

[HazyHusky420]

My only interest in posing the question is justice. I am not prepared to persecute someone for being who they are.

If the philosophical doctrine of the gay community is the sexual and social orientation of human beings is not choice and happiness is not something that can be pursued because biological chemistry pre-determines what makes one happy I am not on board with a justice system that says the biological chemistry of these people is ok but people with that biological chemistry must be murdered.

Ummm could you please re-type that like it was a school report? That sounds like a six year old high on sugar.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Ummm could you please re-type that like it was a school report? That sounds like a six year old high on sugar.

Be more specific.

 

[oyarde]

Be more specific.

Live Free Or Die , how are you feeling ?

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Live Free Or Die , how are you feeling ?

like a second degree burn victim

What the fuck is wrong with you? Perhaps you should see a therapist before posting in this forum ever again. Welcome to permanent ignore.

It's not my fault and a therapist can't help because Social Orientation is not a choice.

 

[HazyHusky420]

Be more specific.

this:

If the philosophical doctrine of the gay community is the sexual and social orientation of human beings is not choice and happiness is not something that can be pursued because biological chemistry pre-determines what makes one happy I am not on board with a justice system that says the biological chemistry of these people is ok but people with that biological chemistry must be murdered.

 

[oyarde]

like a second degree burn victim



It's not my fault and a therapist can't help because Social Orientation is not a choice.

I got you , good luck !

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

this:

What is the question?

 

[HazyHusky420]

What is the question?

I think you're just trying to annoy me.

I didn't ask you a question, I asked you to re-write this with more clarity, like you would in school

If the philosophical doctrine of the gay community is the sexual and social orientation of human beings is not choice and happiness is not something that can be pursued because biological chemistry pre-determines what makes one happy I am not on board with a justice system that says the biological chemistry of these people is ok but people with that biological chemistry must be murdered.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I think you're just trying to annoy me.

I didn't ask you a question, I asked you to re-write this with more clarity, like you would in school

I am not trying to annoy you I am trying to understand what requires clarity which is why I asked you to be more specific. Is there a particular word, sentence or phrase? It would greatly help if you would disect the post and be more specific.

Telling someone who has not been in school in decades and was never fond of english classes to rewrite something like i would in school is not conveying anything to me.

 

[HazyHusky420]

I am not trying to annoy you I am trying to understand what requires clarity which is why I asked you to be more specific. Is there a particular word, sentence or phrase? It would greatly help if you would disect the post and be more specific.

Telling someone who has not been in school in decades and was never fond of english classes to rewrite something like i would in school is not conveying anything to me.

nevermind

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nevermind

No problem, just keep in mind it's not my fault and a therapist can't help because Social Orientation is not a choice.