Gov. Mark Sanford on CNBS this morning sounds like the NEXT RON PAUL !!

[pastortony]

revolutionary8

You have shown yourself to be typical of those that only hear what they want to hear.

 

[revolutionary8]

revolutionary8

You have shown yourself to be typical of those that only hear what they want to hear.

How so?
Debate me concerning Rick The Dick Perry, which is in fact -- why we are crying over spilt milk.

 

[socialize_me]

Are you fucking kidding me?

The media is pushing this guy to run, that's your first warning.

He shilled for McCain and now he shills for Rick Perry.

Rick Perry is an enemy of freedom and property rights.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54219

Fuck Mark Sanford. Honey, Honey, Poison is not acceptable.

He won't even allow medical marijuana, you are a slave in his eyes. He wants to control what you put in your body. He wants to control you.

He is not a freedom candidate and I won't support him.

I love it when you talk dirty, honey.

 

[JoshLowry]

I love it when you talk dirty, honey.

Yea I'm a bit upset that anyone deemed a Ron Paul supporter would compromise for a lesser candidate. It's all or nothing for me. The reason we are in this mess is because people have settled for less in the past.

Screw being active in politics for people who are halfway decent. You're practically begging on your knees for them to give you just a few crumbs at that point.

 

[Spirit of '76]

"Mark Sanford" means neo-con in my dictionary.

You seem to need a new dictionary.

he was invited to the meeting concerning the "reformation" of the GOP that Ron Paul was excluded from

You mean the one for Republican governors that Ron wasn't invited to because he's not a Republican governor?

 

[Spirit of '76]

If any of you bothered to listen to the interview he didn't "shill" for Perry but mentioned him along with a bunch of other names that are rising stars in the GOP. He didn't say he agreed with any of them on policy matters or that he supported any of them - he just mentioned their names. It's called being diplomatic.

This is the closest I've gotten to an answer to my question about what exactly he said or did for Rick Perry.

So far, no one who has accused him of "shilling" for Perry has bothered to tell exactly what he said or did.

 

[revolutionary8]

This is the closest I've gotten to an answer to my question about what exactly he said or did for Rick Perry.

So far, no one who has accused him of "shilling" for Perry has bothered to tell exactly what he said or did.

your IGNORANCE is not my concern.

 

[Spirit of '76]

your IGNORANCE is not my concern.

In other words, you have no clue what he actually said.

 

[revolutionary8]

In other words, you have no clue what he actually said.

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Are you joking?
IOW, you are too lazy to type in a few words on your own keyboard. I'll give you a boost-
start here:
www.tpj.org

‘Governor Handout’ Trashes the Bailout

As the planet struggles to comprehend—and contain—the global meltdown of credit markets, Texans face the added burden of trying to understand their governor’s bewildering position on the crisis.

With the $700 billion bailout hanging in the balance in Washington on October 1, the Texas governor who heads the Republican Governors Association issued a joint statement with the head of the Democratic Governors Association urging Congress to “leave partisanship at the door and pass an economic recovery package.” When local media reported this endorsement, however, Governor Rick Perry issued a statement that said, “In a free market economy, government should not be in the business of using taxpayer dollars to bail out corporate America.” Hitting a rare populist stride, Governor Perry added, “We’re certainly not interested in Washington bailing out a bunch of irresponsible mortgage brokers in an industry that has too often been run on greed.”

When reporters sought to clarify the Perry doctrine, a gubernatorial spokesperson said her boss backs solutions “that don’t require taxpayer dollars.” 1 One such remedy is to force the lenders, bankers, investors and consumers who partied throughout the bubble to ride out the inevitable hangover as best they can. Yet Governor Perry’s letter directed Congress to “pass an economic recovery package” and he has refused to say what this illusive, tax-free recovery package might be.2

This gubernatorial gibberish prompted speculation that Governor Perry was kicking off his 2010 reelection campaign, which could feature a bruising primary with U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison.3 Hutchison—who reportedly has designs on Austin’s torched Governor’s Mansion—voted for the bailout the same day that Perry confused the Austin press corps. If that primary becomes a referendum on which of these politicians has been the biggest corporate concubine, it could be a long campaign.

Perry’s corporate-friendly track record adds to the confusion over his professed aversion to the bailout. Hallmarks of his administration are the Texas Enterprise Fund and the Texas Emerging Technology Fund. Over the past five years these programs collectively have doled out almost $500 million in taxpayer funds, awarding most of it to private businesses that agree to open or expand operations in Texas.4 Recipients of this corporate welfare notably include giants in the field of predatory mortgage lending.


Trumpeting what he called the “crowning jewel” of the Texas Enterprise Fund at a 2004 press conference, Governor Perry awarded $20 million in taxpayer money to Countrywide Financial to create 7,500 Texas jobs over six years.5 The governor’s prepared remarks that day address Countrywide’s CEO, saying, “Angelo Mozilo, thank you for your commitment to creating jobs and greater opportunity for the people of Texas.” Recently, however, the attorneys general of seven states, including Texas, announced an $8 billion deal to settle charges that Countrywide (now owned by Bank of America) misled borrowers and made loans that customers could not afford.6 As the nation’s No. 1 mortgage lender, Countrywide aggressively laid the groundwork for the current job-killing crisis. In this way, Governor Perry’s “crowning jewel” effectively drop kicked the country in the family jewels.


Governor Perry convened another press conference in 2005 to give $15 million in taxpayer funds to the nation’s largest savings and loan. “Less than a week after the Spurs beat the Pistons to win the NBA Championship, San Antonio has brought home another national title,” Perry announced, “the largest job creation announcement in the United States for the first six months of 2005.” 7 Drowning in bad mortgage debt, Washington Mutual (WaMu) claimed another title last month when federal regulators seized it in the largest U.S. bank failure in history.8 After its $15 million Enterprise Fund award, WaMu’s PAC generously contributed $7,500 to Governor Perry’s campaign. As the ship foundered in April, Perry’s campaign cashed a final, $2,500 WaMu check. WaMu also wrote a $25,000 corporate check to Perry’s Republican Governors Association in January.

Since Governor Perry persuaded the 2003 legislature to create the Texas Enterprise Fund, the governor’s campaign has collected $267,125 from key players in the current credit crisis. And after Perry took the helm of the Texas Governors Association this year, that group has raked in $400,000 in corporate checks from key credit-crisis companies. This can leave the impression that Governor Perry is criticizing the excesses of those who attended a wild party in which he himself enthusiastically participated.


ACC Capital (Ameriquest) $100,000 $0 $100,000 Failed subprime lender bought by Citi
AIG∆ $0 $50,000 $50,000 Insurer now owned by Federal Reserve
Bank of America BofA.∆ $70,000 $150,000 $220,000 Bought Countrywide & Merrill
Citigroup, Inc.∆ † $7,000 $50,000 $57,000 Bought Ameriquest
Countrywide Financial $7,000 $0 $7,000 Failed subprime lender owned by BofA
Financial Services Forum $7,500 $0 $7,500 Trade group of U.S. financial giants
Goldman Sachs∆ $6,525 *$100,000 $106,525 Bank’s alumni are running the bailout
JP Morgan Chase∆ $13,000 $0 $13,000 Bought Washington Mutual
Lehman Brothers $0 $0 $0 Biggest bankruptcy in U.S. history
Merrill Lynch∆ $3,100 $0 $3,100 Failed bank bought by JP Morgan
Morgan Stanley† $2,000 $0 $2,000 Mitsubishi is buying 9% of this bank
Wachovia∆ $29,500 $0 $29,500 Failed bank giant bought by Well Fargo
Washington Mutual $7,500 $25,000 $32,500 Biggest bank failure in U.S. history
Wells Fargo $14,000 $25,000 $39,000 Bought failed bank giant Wachovia
TOTALS: $267,125 $400,000 $667,125

Republican Governors Association (RGA) data courtesy of CQ.com’s MoneyLine.
* The Republican Governor’s Association received another $25,000 in April from John Whitehead, an ex-chair of both Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
∆ Member of the powerful Financial Services Forum trade group.
† Recently propped up with a heavy infusion of foreign capital.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Nothing to see here, Sanford is just another statist. Why should we get a boner because he's against the bailouts?

 

[Spirit of '76]

Are you joking?
IOW, you are too lazy to type in a few words on your own keyboard. I'll give you a boost-
start here:
www.tpj.org

Can you read?

My question was very simple: What did Mark Sanford say or do on behalf of Rick Perry?

Can you answer that question?

 

[revolutionary8]

Can you read?

My question was very simple: What did Mark Sanford say or do on behalf of Rick Perry?

Can you answer that question?

Yes.
Read the f'in thread.


(nm the FACT that SANFORD AND PERRY ATTENDED THE SAME FUCKING MEETING THAT ONLY .000000007 PERCENT OF THE FUCKING POPULATION ATTEND OR HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND)

 

[Spirit of '76]

Yes.
Read the f'in thread.

The answer to the question is not in the thread.

The accusation is: "Sanford shilled for Rick Perry."

The question is: "What exactly did Sanford do or say on behalf of Rick Perry?"

So far, two people have said that he mentioned Perry as one of the notable governors at the convention, but no one has yet explained if a.) that's the extent of his remarks about Perry and b.) how that constitutes "shilling".

 

[JoshLowry]

In the OP there is a link to a video. Near the end of it Sanford suggests that Perry is a star in the GOP for the upcoming 2012 election.

 

[Theocrat]

I've Marked Sanford

I don't really trust Mark Sanford, myself. As Josh has shown in this thread, Sanford doesn't have a consistent voting record for Constitutional principles. His lack of support for Congressman Paul in the Primaries and his endorsement of John McCain in the general election says a lot about his political character.

We should be careful that we don't rush so quickly to support someone just because they mention the Constitution a few times or spit out libertarian lingo. Actions speak louder than words, and it's easy to deceive others by cunning speech which tickles the ears. It's just like the blindness of certain Christians who jump on the bandwagon of a candidate the moment he or she utters that he or she believes in the Bible out in public. It usually ends with them supporting a hypocritcal, neocon who only wishes to win over the "Christian conservative" base.

 

[Spirit of '76]

It's sad how misleading that ontheissues.org site is...

Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1.
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Mar...un_Control.htm

Wait a minute! Ron Paul voted against it too?

Hmmm... Interesting... Let's dig a little deeper.

According to ontheissues, that refers to H.R.2122, voted on 6/18/99. This bill was also known as the "Omnibus Gun Control Bill".

It dealt mostly with gun shows. While it is true that it would allow for 24 hour background checks at guns shows, it also would have made it illegal for private individuals to sell firearms to each other at or near a gun show and given the BATF unlimited access to search any vendor at a gun show without a warrant.

Here's the GOA page on the bill:
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/votes/?votenum=244&chamber=H&congress=1061

You'll note they say, "In sum, the bill took more negative steps than positive ones" and gave members voting AGAINST the bill a positive score.

Overall, the GOA gives Sanford an A rating: http://gunowners.org/106hrat.htm

Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC.
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Mark_Sanford_Drugs.htm

This was a budget bill, and the amendment Sanford voted for didn't "prohibit needle exchanges", it prohibited the use of federal funds to pay for needle exchange programs in DC.

The other amendment he voted to approve in this case did not "ban medical marijuana". It prohibited the use of federal funds granted under the budget to legalize "any schedule I substance".

This amendment was also known as the Barr Amendment, after its author, Representative Bob Barr (R, Georgia).

Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.

This was another amendment to the above budget bill that would have forbidden the use of federal funds to subsidize gay adoptions.


I would highly advise people not to take ontheissues.org at face value. It can point you in the right direction if you're willing to read the fine print and then do some actual research, but their one-sentence summaries of the bills in question are ultimately very misleading.

 

[Spirit of '76]

In the OP there is a link to a video. Near the end of it Sanford suggests that Perry is a star in the GOP for the upcoming 2012 election.

lol

That's it? The host asked him who are the "rising stars" that we should watch for in terms of the names that will be put forth for 2012, and Sanford said, "There's a bunch of names out there, Pawlenty and Crist and Rick Perry from Texas. There's a bunch of folks."

That ain't shillin'. That's answering the guy's question.

 

[pastortony]

lol

That's it? The host asked him who are the "rising stars" that we should watch for in terms of the names that will be put forth for 2012, and Sanford said, "There's a bunch of names out there, Pawlenty and Crist and Rick Perry from Texas. There's a bunch of folks."

That ain't shillin'. That's answering the guy's question.

Some people hear only what they want to hear. There's a certain type of person that is never going to be satisfied with a candidate unless that candidate is so far outside of mainstream politics that he's only able to get 1% of the vote. Just look at the history of the LP for evidence.

I honestly think there are certain people who are only content if they are part of a miniscule minority where only they are their friends are right, and everyone else is a shill, sellout, neocon, decieved and/or part of the machine.

Fortunately there are plenty of us out here in grassroots conservatism that understand the meaning of incrementalism and can recognize candidates that will enable us to advance our agenda.

 

[BKom]

Wrong.
Sanford attended the Bilderberg meeting late in the year. Ron Paul is a "profit" of Economics, not a prophet of whacked out sociopaths.

BK,
I must have missed the part about RP being a cheerleader for MS. Could you please direct me to that POI?

I'd love to point you to something, but I can't point to anything public. It was said to me and about half a dozen others in private.

To make this clear: I am a big fan of Ron's. I wanted to see him as president and I went months without much sleep trying to get that done. But he is either the worst judge of people on the planet (judging by those he assembled at national, with a few exceptions) or he simply didn't want the job.

What I'm hoping is that this "movement" isn't just a Ron cult. I'd love to see others who believe in limited, constitutional government and leaving people the heck alone get a shot at the support of people here. Ron is 72. If he runs again it will certainly not be as a viable candidate. It would be a vanity project. So, we need to start looking for other candidates we can support. Barr was never that guy. Maybe Sanford will prove to be. If not, maybe a Gary Johnson if he can broaden his issues and appeal. But it can't just be about Ron.

 

[zmyrick19]

If not Ron, this man is almost certainly the best choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_E._Johnson