GOP Top Brass Discuss Strategies; What to Do About Paul and Returning to Core Values

[mosquitobite]

All this means is you're going to her more anti-tax, "change" oriented rhetoric from the others GOP candidates.

Yup. Expect to hear ALL the "top tier" espousing tax cuts and spending restraint. Too bad they've been SAYING that for years. Talk is cheap ya'll.

Ron Paul is the only money bet

 

[freelance]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

Maybe the Republican party should have thought about this while there was still something left of our Constitution to protect. As it is, these are the monsters that enabled the Congress to rubberstamp Bush during his first term by pushing those heinous candidates and their equally heinous platform. These are the monsters that supported the destruction of our rights. These are the monsters who have spawned the corporatocracy and supported this outrageous war on terror--a war on the American people.

The platform means nothing. It's a bunch of drivel to shut us up and allow the rest of the candidates a cover for stealing Ron Paul's talking points. Look what Bush campaigned on. Look what he's done. Do they resemble each other? No. This is simply a come to Jesus meeting to get their lies straight now that they acknowledge that we've educated enough of the voting public that we've reached their (the GOP's) threshold of tolerance for this sort of thing. (Sorry about the run-on sentence.)

 

[FreeTraveler]

I personally have said that at this point I can't tell the differnce between the Republicans or the Democrats, other than Ron of coarse. But if the GOP are not going to back Ron, then I guess one way to say F-You to the GOP is to not vote at all and let the Democrats win.

And, that is what they are worried about.....

I've started a thread to see if we can get RonPaulOrElse.com started. A warning to the GOP is something WE can do that Dr. Paul can't.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=89296

 

[Mandrik]

They are going to have to fix many, many years of bad leadership before I trust anyone without a track record similar to RP's.

 

[hocaltar]

my ass....they want to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

We're better off with Democrats at this point if not Paul.

I can't believe I agree with this.

 

[freelance]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

Because a vote for evil is a vote for evil, even if it a lesser!

 

[beobeli]

They are going to have to fix many, many years of bad leadership before I trust anyone without a track record similar to RP's.

Yep... How else is GOP going to keep us to support any of the other candidates who are so transparent "tap dancers" and "flip floppers". We cannot be manipulated. The only winning proposition for GOP is for the rest of GOP candidates to withdraw and endorse Ron Paul.

 

[traitorist]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

translated: deflect the surge of Ron Pauls' campaign, then steal Ron Paul's positions, apply them to their pick for president, get their candidate into office, and then continue onwards with business as usual.

 

[freelance]

translated: deflect the surge of Ron Pauls' campaign, then steal Ron Paul's positions, apply them to their pick for president, get their candidate into office, and then continue onwards with business as usual.

Yep, that sounds like the entire substance of the agenda.

 

[DontFret]

I don't believe a word of this. No reflection on the thread-starter, but if these things were actually said then they are a smoke screen to get the votes of RP supporters later.

Look at the terrible damage the GOP (alongside the Dems) has done to this country and to the average American. The Fed, the mortgage crisis, the continued devaluation of the dollar, the war, the deaths and suffering of our military men/women and their families, the pork, etc.

And worst of all, and most recent of all (this should be very telling in the recency effect) is the absolute burying of American democracy through the silencing of Ron Paul's message. If you don't believe the national GOP had/has something significant to do with this then I don't know what to say to you.

I agree with the poster who wrote about the visibility of Ron Paul's message. Until the GOP first PROVES they will no longer subvert democracy by burying Ron Paul's message of Constitutionalism and commensurately pretending his supporters don't exist by refusing to allow his message to even be heard by the sheeple... THEY WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE BACK. NEVER...

Their behavior has been nothing short of disgusting as they overtly attempt to silence RP and subvert our democracy. The national GOP leadership should be absolutely ashamed, every single man and woman amongst them. I don't use the term lightly, but they are all truly closer to traitors than they are those worthy of even a shred of respect.

Frankly, the only ones in the national GOP who *might* actually even care are those whose jobs are directly (and solely) affiliated with the party itself, and not the larger government infrastructure. They probably believe that their attention to the 'party' actually matters somehow when all that really matters are the policies engaged in by the globalists. To the extent these party afficianados really believe the party itself is so important I think they are kidding themselves. They are puppets, themselves, in this context...

 

[itshappening]

The GOP faces a generation in the wilderness so they better wake up soon, my thinking is this will be a catalyst

 

[torchbearer]

translated: deflect the surge of Ron Pauls' campaign, then steal Ron Paul's positions, apply them to their pick for president, get their candidate into office, and then continue onwards with business as usual.

It took a few pages, but we now have a thread winner! awarded 23 internets!
QFT.

 

[JenaS62]

The other candidates are simply giving lip service to Ron Paul's ideas. I suspect that none of them have the intention or the balls to actually stand behind this lip service.

 

[charlesn12]

Core Values is NOT What the Top Brass of the GOP want !!

Trust me...the top brass of the GOP(Grand Old Poop) are not in favor of what Ron Paul Stands for...I know some of these folks and they are the pure definition of what a NEOCON is!

Charlesn12

"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want
is also big enough to take away everything you have."
- Davy Crockett, Tennessee Congressman & Texas Soldrier​

I don't believe a word of this. No reflection on the thread-starter, but if these things were actually said then they are a smoke screen to get the votes of RP supporters later.

Look at the terrible damage the GOP (alongside the Dems) has done to this country and to the average American. The Fed, the mortgage crisis, the continued devaluation of the dollar, the war, the deaths and suffering of our military men/women and their families, the pork, etc.

And worst of all, and most recent of all (this should be very telling in the recency effect) is the absolute burying of American democracy through the silencing of Ron Paul's message. If you don't believe the national GOP had/has something significant to do with this then I don't know what to say to you.

I agree with the poster who wrote about the visibility of Ron Paul's message. Until the GOP first PROVES they will no longer subvert democracy by burying Ron Paul's message of Constitutionalism and commensurately pretending his supporters don't exist by refusing to allow his message to even be heard by the sheeple... THEY WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE BACK. NEVER...

Their behavior has been nothing short of disgusting as they overtly attempt to silence RP and subvert our democracy. The national GOP leadership should be absolutely ashamed, every single man and woman amongst them...

Frankly, the only ones in the national GOP who *might* actually even care are those who jobs are directly (and solely) affiliated with the party itself, and not the larger government infrastructure. They probably believe that their attention to the 'party' actually matters somehow when all that really matters are the policies engaged in by the globablists. To the extent these party afficianados really believe the party itself is so important I think they are kidding themselves. They are puppets, themselves, in this context...

 

[RPinSEAZ]

Remember folks, even should Ron Paul lose this race but return to Congress, he could be the most powerful Congressman on the Hill if we keep our support behind him. Never forget this. Never give up. This is just the beginning.

QFT. Imagine an email being sent out from Ron Paul to his legions of supporters telling us all to call our congressman and demand that they vote no on a particular bill because of its unconstitutionality.

 

[Hurricane Bruiser]

This has nothing with moving towards actual conservative/libertarian values. It has to do with using Ron Paul talking points to win elections. Basically, how do we get a Guiliani or Thompson to sound enough like Ron Paul that we can swing some of his voters and not lose the general in a landslide. I don't see how this is a good thing. It's not like they're going to embrace the real deal.

The problem with that analysis is that they have been using talking points for awhile that sound good but their actions betray the talking points. I think smart voters see past the talking points after awhile and look at the record. That is why many voters now view the GOP as big spenders.

I can certainly forgive the GOP if Paul is not nominated. After all, a whole pile of people are or have run, and Paul is only one person starting out with no name recognition. But if the GOP moves in a more libertarian direction, then I'll vote that way. There are many in the GOP that like Paul's positions on domestic issues but feel his foreign policy ideas are too radical and simply don't trust him on that big issue and that hurts him alot. Many voters also vote based on charisma and personality, traits that Paul isn't the most polished in, even though I find him very appealing.

 

[charlesn12]

Case in Point !

Case in point > Notice in one of the latest debates Mike Huckster - the Huckabee - want a bee but can't a bee like Ron Paul...when he stated that he supports states rights......I laughed my head off after he stated that !

charlesn12

The problem with that analysis is that they have been using talking points for awhile that sound good but their actions betray the talking points. I think smart voters see past the talking points after awhile and look at the record. That is why many voters now view the GOP as big spenders.

I can certainly forgive the GOP if Paul is not nominated. After all, a whole pile of people are or have run, and Paul is only one person starting out with no name recognition. But if the GOP moves in a more libertarian direction, then I'll vote that way. There are many in the GOP that like Paul's positions on domestic issues but feel his foreign policy ideas are too radical and simply don't trust him on that big issue and that hurts him alot. Many voters also vote based on charisma and personality, traits that Paul isn't the most polished in, even though I find him very appealing.

 

[steph3n]

I almost hope that they reject Ron...

Currently he's got about 10% of their base that he could easily transfer to the libertarian party. Best, it's young voters. I think that another 10% could be peeled away from the Democrats, giving the Libertarian party a 20% base from which to work from. Those are the kind of numbers that put an election up for grabs. I most definitely believe Ron Paul could seal the deal there.

Sorry but I won't go LP, bunch of in-fighting backstabbers just as bad or worse than the GOP.

 

[Pete]

Yep... How else is GOP going to keep us to support any of the other candidates who are so transparent "tap dancers" and "flip floppers". We cannot be manipulated. The only winning proposition for GOP is for the rest of GOP candidates to withdraw and endorse Ron Paul.

QFT

For good measure, they can renounce the CFR and, more particularly, the AEI for being seditious organizations that seek to undermine the Constitution and the sovereignty of the United States.

 

[RonPaulMania]

my ass....they want to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

We're better off with Democrats at this point if not Paul.

That makes no sense. The Dems want war, pre-K funding for edu, bigger taxes, $5,000 per child at birth, and gov't paid health care.

That will cost more than any war. Think before you post. There is not one dem I would vote for before any Repub, and I would write in Ron Paul before any of them.