GOP Top Brass Discuss Strategies; What to Do About Paul and Returning to Core Values

[Computer]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

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[MJfromCT]

The GOP nominee will not get my vote this upcoming election if it is not Ron Paul. This is not a threat, it is a fact. The GOP party has been attempting to railroad Ron Paul and I will not forgive and forget. I will use my right to vote for the best person for the job and that would be Ron Paul if he runs as a third party candidate. If Ron Paul does not run, I will vote for the candidate from the Libertarian or Constitution Party and have zero regrets as I will have voted with my conscience.

 

[Hayek's Heroes]

I was speaking to party insiders this weekend and was told that discussions reaching as high as Mike Duncan, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, were taking place on what to do about Ron Paul. I was told that the movement has had a profound affect on the party and is reshaping the current platform. Concessions must be made to the Ron Paul Republicans if the party is to thrive. They said they know the party will lose in the general election to the Democrats without Ron Paul supporters and irreparable damage to the party could last for decades.

To be brandished as losers does not sit well with the top brass in the party, and an incredible amount of resources are being wasted. They said that a return to core Republican values could go a long way in returning credibility to the party. I didn't ask what they meant by this but I know what they were thinking. I think they are beginning to see the writing on the wall, and I hope this is the beginning of a breakthrough for our party.

They need to change their way of thinking. The reason Ron Paul is able to raise a ton of money (including mine) and get votes is because he is the only true Republican in the race. The party has lost it's way. I've been a Republican for my entire life, but I was angry after Bush pulled the switcheroo in 2000 after campaigning for a smaller federal government and better fiscal discipline. It's doesn't take very much time or energy to veto every spending bill that comes across your desk. Thanks for screwing my generation and all generations to come. I voted Libertarian in 2004. The fiscal wing (Goldwater) of the party has either already switched to Libertarian or is leaving the party on this election. I don't see why they keep invoking the name of Reagan when Reagan was originally part of the Goldwater wing. That's what's screwy. Somehow historical truth is being rewritten by the Neocons and that's the problem. The current philosophy has alienated the other two wings of the "Reagan coalition". Sorry for the rant.

 

[fuzzybekool]

We are an important 10% of the Republican party. And not counting Independents and Democrats, the general election can not be won without us.

We are not asking for much. Just return the party to fiscal conservatism and downsize the scope of government. Return the party to no nation building and promote traditional family values. Defend our freedoms at home and secure our borders. Keep our military strong and let America be the beacon of hope and liberty it once was.

 

[rfbz]

Funny how Frank Luntz says there's no way for RP to win the republican nomination because he's against the war, yet there's no way a republican can win the general election because 70% of the country wants us out. The GOP has attached itself to a failed policy and will suffer the consequences.

 

[RonPauledbyYoutube]

And the democratic nominee would bring up how Paul introduced bills to define life at conception, overturn Texas v. Lawerence, and abolish the Federal Reserve. They'd say his foreign policy is isolationism, his economic policy would leave people out in the streets, and that he's a racist. Republicans who hate Paul wouldn't vote for him or they'd vote for the Democrat, just like Paul voters who won't vote for a Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani, Romney nominee. It works both ways you know.

Is that it?

I haven't seen RP not being able to respond to these critiques with reasonableness and consistency. People will realize that these critiques are flakes.

I can't see Republicans voting democratic unless the dem nominee is well worth it and Hillary is really not worth it. Republicans remember B Clinton in the WH and will do everything to prevent another Clinton in the WH.

 

[Jodi]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

Question for ya: When asked of RP, in one of the debates, who of the other candidates he would support in the General. I believe he said that he couldn't support any of them unless they were on board with his beliefs/platform. Who would RP vote for? I don't think he would vote for any of them. When Nov comes around if RP is not on the ballot I will write him in, if that isn't allowed then I will not vote as I have decided that I can't give my vote to someone that does not have the same principles as Dr. Paul. For me Dr. Paul has raised the bar and none of the other candidates can measure up.

 

[AlbemarleNC0003]

We are an important 10% of the Republican party. And not counting Independents and Democrats, the general election can not be won without us.

We are not asking for much. Just return the party to fiscal conservatism and downsize the scope of government. Return the party to no nation building and promote traditional family values. Defend our freedoms at home and secure our borders. Keep our military strong and let America be the beacon of hope and liberty it once was.

I don't think we're just 10%. How many people say they won't vote for them even if they like him because he's unelectable?

 

[MadViking10]

I'm going to write Ron Paul on my ballot if needed. If there's not a spot for it I will write it on my diebold machine.

 

[Computer]

We are not asking for much. Just return the party to fiscal conservatism and downsize the scope of government. Return the party to no nation building and promote traditional family values. Defend our freedoms at home and secure our borders. Keep our military strong and let America be the beacon of hope and liberty it once was.

Yes.... but none of that goes well with the NWO plan, so maybe we just keep the name "Republican", but do whatever we want, and occasionally we name drop Jesus and say support our troops.

 

[Leslie Webb]

Wow, they're just now figuring it out?

I wonder how many people (like me) have answered the RNC's calls for $$$ with, "Sorry, I won't be contributing to you unless you start listening to Ron Paul. BTW, I've been giving all my $$$ to him..."

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I did also.

 

[Taco John]

I almost hope that they reject Ron...

Currently he's got about 10% of their base that he could easily transfer to the libertarian party. Best, it's young voters. I think that another 10% could be peeled away from the Democrats, giving the Libertarian party a 20% base from which to work from. Those are the kind of numbers that put an election up for grabs. I most definitely believe Ron Paul could seal the deal there.

 

[michaelwise]

The only way I could put even a little trust in the GOP at this point is if they put the word out to the mainstream media to allow Ron Paul's message to be heard. Give him fair time with the rest of the candidates in the news. At this point it is probably unlikely that Dr. Paul will win the nomination, but allowing the core Republican values that Ron Paul preaches, would at least show that the party is willing to entertain those values once again.

 

[susano]

The Neo-Cons and the Dems can all go to hell. They are the biggest bunch of arrogant, power-hungry, self-serving hypocrites sinking up our government we have had in a century. They answer only to lobbyists, not to the people they were elected to represent. If they're afraid of the grassroots swelling of the "little people" who have had enough of their hubris then so be it. Don't fall for any promises of a return to real republican principles. They have proven beyond a doubt they cannot be trusted - ever.

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[Computer]

The only way I could put even a little trust in the GOP at this point is if they put the word out to the mainstream media to allow Ron Paul's message to be heard. Give him fair time with the rest of the candidates in the news. At this point it is probably unlikely that Dr. Paul will win the nomination, but allowing the core Republican values that Ron Paul preaches, would at least show that the party is willing to entertain those values once again.

It's no 'accident' that the party has drifted from its former core values. It was by design and implemented by very powerful, long-term thinking people. We must realize this in order to isolate the problem makers and root them out.

 

[RonPauledbyYoutube]

I almost hope that they reject Ron...

Currently he's got about 10% of their base that he could easily transfer to the libertarian party. Best, it's young voters. I think that another 10% could be peeled away from the Democrats, giving the Libertarian party a 20% base from which to work from. Those are the kind of numbers that put an election up for grabs. I most definitely believe Ron Paul could seal the deal there.

Good point. Yet, it's risky because a lot of people are brainwashed into this 2 party system that they won't risk voting 3rd party

 

[Computer]

I'm going to write Ron Paul on my ballot if needed. If there's not a spot for it I will write it on my diebold machine.

Those machines would look a lot better with Ron Paul stickers on them.

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

"Concessions" sounds too much like "pandering." I don't want concessions, I want a true-blue change and return to conservative values.

 

[niall]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

Here's a more precise metaphor:

Imagine that you're having dinner at a restaurant, and 4 people sit down with you and regale you with interesting conversation. At the end of the dinner, they hold a vote to see who will pick up the entire tab. They, representing the majority, decide that it is you that shall pay for everyone's dinner. Whether you vote or not is irrelevant in this case, for the outcome has been predetermined. In fact, voting merely legitimizes the use of force against you because you have willingly submitted to the process.

So, given the above -- why have I chosen to support, donate to, and vote for Ron Paul? The principle infringement of our liberty, in my opinion, is the central banking system. When that rare man steps forward who is willing to challenge that system and promise to reform it (Andrew Jackson was probably the last such man), he has my full support. Not only has Ron promised that, but he has demonstrated fidelity to those principles for the past 30+ years.

In the event that Ron does not get the Republican nomination, nor run as a 3rd party, then the presidential fate will have been decided for this election year and I will abstain from participating in the grand illusion. However, no matter what, I'll continue to fight for the cause of liberty, and I suspect that many others feel the same way. Ron has started brushfires of liberty that will burn long after this contest has been decided.

 

[jasonuher]

Even if any one of those five other clowns started imitating Ron Paul word-for-word, I wouldn't believe a word of it. Give me candidates with proven track records of fiscal responsibility, limiting the size & scope of federal government, and attention to the Constitution and then I'll start thinking of voting for them.

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