GOP Top Brass Discuss Strategies; What to Do About Paul and Returning to Core Values

[pacelli]

I'm guessing it got bumped again because the information in the OP has been shown to be a fluff piece from the GOP. They want to get us involved so they can use us, without giving any real support to Dr. Paul.

We're not fooled. They're not going to have it their way any more. The GOP has had numerous opportunities over the past several months to turn their organization around and put action where it wasn't before. I've e-mailed and called them several times over the past few weeks, as I know others have as well.

Instead of making real changes, they continue to give us lip service. I don't think anyone is fooled in this movement. The GOP has dug their political grave and now they will have to lie in it. Of course, maybe they are better off with another 8 years of Clinton. At least they will be able to keep their jobs.

The GOP is a disgrace to conservatism, political action, and our party.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I don't think losing Ron Paul supporters will cost them the general election. Paul had 10,000 votes in Iowa and 15,000 in NH. Those votes have come from everywhere, from libertarians to Democrats to Republicans to non voters. And likewise, those votes could go to a number of places in the general election. 1.5 million people and 680,000 people voted in the 2004 general election in Iowa and NH. Both contests saw a greater turnout for the Democrats in the primaries this year and both states saw Republicans lose in 2006. I think they'd go Democrat anyway and we'll see what happens in other states. They're going to lose the general election because of George W. Bush, Iraq, and the economy.

You forget that only a few hundred votes handed George W. Bush the margin of victory in Florida in 2000, which handed him the victory over Gore.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The RNC is not sincere. The inside the Beltway GOP establishment sole purpose is to acquire raw unadulterated power. They could give a rat's ass about core conservative values and Main Street America as evidenced by their support for:

1. By doubling the national debt by another $5 Trillion in just the last 7 years;

2. By supporting a war of choice in Iraq that has cost this nation $1 Trillion and will cost another $1 Trillion before it is all over;

3. By supporting the expansion of federal entitlements such as the Medicare Prescription Act;

4. By supporting unfunded federal mandates on the several States such as the No Child Left Behind Act;

5. By sacrificing domestic civil liberties in order to prosecute the War on Terror abroad; and

6. By supporting general amnesty for illegal immigrants.

The only way the national GOP is going to change is from the bottom up, which means that everyone who believes in the core conservative values espoused by Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and Robert Taft, is going to have to get involved in local GOP organizations and get elected to influential party positions and begin a new political reformation of the national GOP that is long overdue.

 

[LEK]

I will stand by my principles.

Good for you...that warms the cockles of my heart...the GOP should demonstrate such scruples.

 

[Mesogen]

Let the Republican Party die.

DIE GOP DIE

 

[smile]

No thanks
I rather write-in RP

 

[LittleLightShining]

Wow a lot of speculation here on this thread. I also love the whole "If RP isn't the nominee I won't vote!" Let me ask this question, what exactly do you think not voting is going to do? Not voting is the same as watching some guy next door murder his wife and let him get away with it. If you don't vote, you can't whine about the loss of civil rights. Because, you didn't vote to get someone in there that might stop the loss of civil rights. I'd also, love to your reasons for not voting and how you justify it. :>

I'm writing in Ron Paul if he doesn't get the nomination. I used to think everyone should vote. But what choice is there if he doesn't get the nomination? The lesser of two evils is still evil and I don't want that responsibility on my shoulders. I owe it to my kids to stick with Ron Paul.

 

[nbhadja]

I am hoping that the GOP just dies. They deserve it.

 

[WRellim]

I was at the Red, White, and Blue (largest annual Republican fundraiser) dinner last Friday night. I proudly jacket pinned my RP 08 button. I had nothing but praise from people telling me they liked Ron and I had balls to come out and publicly show it.

Did you tell them they were BIG and made out of brass... so groin-kicks are completely ineffective...

And did you mention that there is a SPINE made out of Stainless Steel to go along with them?

 

[LEK]

A little too late oh fat, dumb and happy GOP.
It takes a traitor to support a traitor...enjoy propping up McCain.

 

[WRellim]

I don't think losing Ron Paul supporters will cost them the general election. Paul had 10,000 votes in Iowa and 15,000 in NH. Those votes have come from everywhere, from libertarians to Democrats to Republicans to non voters. And likewise, those votes could go to a number of places in the general election. 1.5 million people and 680,000 people voted in the 2004 general election in Iowa and NH. Both contests saw a greater turnout for the Democrats in the primaries this year and both states saw Republicans lose in 2006. I think they'd go Democrat anyway and we'll see what happens in other states. They're going to lose the general election because of George W. Bush, Iraq, and the economy.

Ah, but it is only the TIP of a very big Iceberg that we represent.

Every Ron Paul supporter (and indeed every RP voter) is representative of at least 10x our number (people who DIDN'T vote for RP because of their actions in suppressing our message). Most of THOSE people just stayed home.

And for those who have denigrated the efforts of the RP people who have joined their local GOP party entities -- since we have been the only NEW people to enter the room, and they have otherwise lost members (dropping like flies) -- it HAS made an impression... and that impression has been filtering UP the ladder from across the country.

You see, WE STAND out when we attend a GOP meeting (even without RP Gear) -- in part because we do NOT have gray hair, or use a walker and are not a direct descendant of the above (sitting next to dad and grandpa does not exactly make you much of a "surprise" youth member of the party you know... especially when they've seen you sitting there for the past several years).

For example at my local party meeting this last week (which had DISMAL attendance from my meetup members, BTW) -- even still, there were only 32 people in the room. At least 6 of them were local elected officials (wives in tow). So if you discount them (this is their paid JOB on the line, remember) then you have only 26 people.

6 of them were VISIBLY Ron Paul Supporters (RP buttons on jacket or lapel). And another 2 were incognito RP supporters.

That means nearly 1/3 of the people in that room (and 1/4 VISIBLY so) were there SOLELY because Ron Paul's campaign convinced them to join or rejoin the party.

I tell you as a person who has run OTHER organizations in the past -- THAT is both seen and makes a very marked impression. And since our numbers have been slowly "building" in attendance at meetings (initially it was only me) they really do NOT know if I have 3x, 4x, 10x or 25x that number of people in my group (they just know that I have more than showed up...)

 

[WRellim]

You forget that only a few hundred votes handed George W. Bush the margin of victory in Florida in 2000, which handed him the victory over Gore.

AND the entire "strategy" of the RNC this year is "50% + 1" -- at Voter Vault training, that little equation "50+1" was shown in BIG HUGE characters on screen during the presentation. It was on screen for 5 minutes while the guy from the RNC talked and hammered home the point about the fact that the GOP already *IS* a minority of voters and therefore their is an absolute need to "Get Out The Vote" at close to a 100% level to merely keep their current people in office, much less retain the WH.

So whether we are 5% or 10% of their "base" is pretty irrelevant. The FACT that we are willing and CAPABLE of "sitting this out" by standing and NOT voting on principle -- is enough to make those few in the RNC who DO have brains shudder.

They were counting on *hatred* of Hillary to galvanize their own party and maybe gain a few crossovers... Obama is screwing that up. And McCain obviously isn't helping either.

Everything is decided "at the margin" -- and we ARE the margin.

Now it really just remains to be seen whether they can rub those few brain cells together and produce the RIGHT answer. (Sad to say it, but I'm fairly certain that they WON'T succeed.)

 

[MozoVote]

WRellim is hittng on something that I've suspected. One of the most common refrains among the top brass of any social organization ... a church, a Rotary club, Lions club, Elks, etc is:

"How do we get some new members?"

Usually the new members are friends, marriages, or relatives of the existing members.

Go make a visit to your local GOP executive committee meeting, you will be surprised how small and clubby it is. You'll probably find some of your county reps and state legislative reps there, and miscellaneous party functionaries. Very few "interested locals" bother to come.

Although I doubt any substanitive change will take place, until Liberty minded Paulites make the difference and *get people elected* - I do agree that even a few of us attending their meetings would have to conspicuosly stand out.

 

[Thomas Paine]

bump

 

[scandinaviany3]

too late..time to thow out any corrupt ones

too many corrupt people ...time to clean house and make alliances with those that are left that want to save america, not rule it.

 

[tamor]

Beware of strangers bearing gifts (especially in an election year

 

[Fields]

Say No to GOP

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/notogop/

 

[Rhys]

say yes to the GOP doing it our way, yes our way. make all our deams come true, for me and you.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

1. GOP elites leak that they will return to conservative principles.
2. War, domestic spying, and torture continue as usual.
3. Bush introduces a bank-breaking $3.1 trillion budget.

Do you believe them yet?

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[wgadget]

Hey,

I really don't want to read all 36 pages of this thread, but I'm missing what the point is up there. So we will be conspicuous n the GOP. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? We are having our mass precinct meetings this Saturday, and I'm kinda wondering what the attitude will be toward us. Of course we have been warned to "look like Republicans."