Global Warming?

[weirman]

no plastic is not organic....


you talk to any organic farmer, they will tell you the polar opposite.
Of course it is comprised of natural elements and OM (organic matter), but it is altered by man.


Show me a plastic tree and I'll say it's organic...


Anyway, thats not what those links were meant to do, they just illustrate how our country over consumes and is more wasteful than any other country in the world.



ps. you are not organic, unless you don't eat any bullshit processed food, take bullshit medicine, eat 100% organic non genetically modified food ... you are not organic, our body has built up toxins that we absorb everyday, some organic some altered or created by humans ...aka NON ORGANIC

 

[RevolutionSD]

It's complete hooey. In fact, the earth is no longer even warming anymore. It's in a cooling trend. This is why the Al Gore disciples had to change it to "climate change".

 

[pcosmar]

ps. you are not organic, unless you don't eat any bullshit processed food, take bullshit medicine, eat 100% organic non genetically modified food ... you are not organic, our body has built up toxins that we absorb everyday, some organic some altered or created by humans ...aka NON ORGANIC

Yup, I grew up on Dioxins and PCBs. Had DDT soaked jelly for breakfast.
I have been soaked in Chlordane and had a steady diet of urethane,Poly urethane and Methyl-Ethel Ketones for years. Listing all the substances run through my system would take volumes.
And I smoke.
At 51 yrs, I am still out every day splitting wood to keep my house warm.
I dare say some much younger folks would have a hard time keeping up.

Yes we do waste a lot of stuff. I think the coming depression will make a lot of folks waste less.

 

[weirman]

fuck al gore...


you don't even have any back up, all you say no, bullshit.....


this is not a political debate people, this isn't about corrupt government, or our personal freedoms.... this is about a natural environment that we all share and all sustain life from. Its the rate at which we consume goods that causes the issues, its how far the resources have to travel to make retail distribution, its what energy sources are powring our homes, running/filtering our water, growing our food. Everything in life that we take for granted is in jeopardy based on our actions and the easy, selfish, narrowminded, vain act is just shrug your shoulders in acceptance.


....you people come on here and talk about our heroes, the founding fathers questioned what was being told.... you guys are arent questioning those who are saying its fake. YOu accept it just like all the people you talk about on here who are zombies to government opression.


I think you cannot actually accept that our massive world population has a drastic effect on the natural environment... its very sad.

 

[RevolutionSD]

fuck al gore...


you don't even have any back up, all you say no, bullshit.....


this is not a political debate people, this isn't about corrupt government, or our personal freedoms.... this is about a natural environment that we all share and all sustain life from. Its the rate at which we consume goods that causes the issues, its how far the resources have to travel to make retail distribution, its what energy sources are powring our homes, running/filtering our water, growing our food. Everything in life that we take for granted is in jeopardy based on our actions and the easy, selfish, narrowminded, vain act is just shrug your shoulders in acceptance.


....you people come on here and talk about our heroes, the founding fathers questioned what was being told.... you guys are arent questioning those who are saying its fake. YOu accept it just like all the people you talk about on here who are zombies to government opression.


I think you cannot actually accept that our massive world population has a drastic effect on the natural environment... its very sad.

You may want to watch The Great Global Warming Swindle, free on google video. Lots of facts presented, you decide what to believe.

 

[weirman]

Yup, I grew up on Dioxins and PCBs. Had DDT soaked jelly for breakfast.
I have been soaked in Chlordane and had a steady diet of urethane,Poly urethane and Methyl-Ethel Ketones for years. Listing all the substances run through my system would take volumes.
And I smoke.
At 51 yrs, I am still out every day splitting wood to keep my house warm.
I dare say some much younger folks would have a hard time keeping up.

Yes we do waste a lot of stuff. I think the coming depression will make a lot of folks waste less.

thats good. i cut wood for my house too and Im only 21. and its good that you stay active, that is another issue, obesity.

... and its funny to joke about what harmful things are practically forced down our throats daily, but it is an issue. I am in no way trying to tell you how to live.


BUt at the rate were going, and the fact that our economy/lifestyle revolves around finite resources... we need to think about how much we consume.

 

[weirman]

You may want to watch The Great Global Warming Swindle, free on google video. Lots of facts presented, you decide what to believe.

you may want to watch the video responses to that film.

... I have heard the same story, natural cycles, warming trends, cooling trends... all this is not questioned by GW advocates. All their saying is that the massive rate of consumption and industrial productivity increases the rate in which these natural cycles are occuring. period.

 

[lucynuts]

Global climate change is caused by the sun of which we have no control and an extremly small percentage of climate change can be attributed to man. I would simply suggest anyone to understand the current theories on climate change and on the third page of this thread you will see a lengthy post discussing it by me.

 

[RevolutionSD]

you may want to watch the video responses to that film.

... I have heard the same story, natural cycles, warming trends, cooling trends... all this is not questioned by GW advocates. All their saying is that the massive rate of consumption and industrial productivity increases the rate in which these natural cycles are occuring. period.

the GW theory is based on increases in CO2 causing warming in the air, but the true fact is that throughout recorded history, increases in temperature always preceding increases in Co2. Pretty hard to get around that one.

Also if you look at just how the theory of Global Warming came about, it gets traced back to researchers at UC San Diego wanting to get more funding. Follow the (grant) money. There's a great article by the founder of the Weather Channel about this, I can post if you'd like to read it.

 

[pcosmar]

....you people come on here and talk about our heroes, the founding fathers questioned what was being told.... you guys are arent questioning those who are saying its fake. YOu accept it just like all the people you talk about on here who are zombies to government opression.

Ease off kid.
First this subject has been debated to death on this forum for almost 2 years.
Nothing New. You have NO new points, nothing but the same whiny bullshit that has been debunked by several notable scientists and is even been dropped by the Global Warming crowd.
They now call it climate change. The Climate Has always been changing. Big Woop.
Pollution has always been a factor, since the dawn of man.
The Great Lakes are a good example. When I was in High School Lake Erie was DEAD. You could walk on it. It caught fire.
It is now cleaned up and supporting life. Folks fish in it.

Relax.

 

[weirman]

I did read it, and I found many flaws.

what does that have to do with how us, HUMANS, ...billions of billions of humans over consuming.. nothing. if you just read what I just said, you would see that I agree. The earth does have natural cycles that include the extreme heating and cooling periods. So our earth is experiencing these changes natrually ON TOP of all the pollutants we excrete. The combination of the two makes it a more serious issue.

 

[weirman]

I understand this could go in circles... but thats only because nobody is willing to listen to one another without bias. its impossible. Really you have no idea whats going to happen, and neither do I.


but again, none of anything you said has anything to do with consumption.

 

[pcosmar]

I understand this could go in circles... but thats only because nobody is willing to listen to one another without bias. its impossible. Really you have no idea whats going to happen, and neither do I.


but again, none of anything you said has anything to do with consumption.

The Sky is Falling

 

[Austin]

weirman, what do you suggest be done about our consumption problem?

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

no plastic is not organic....

you talk to any organic farmer, they will tell you the polar opposite.
Of course it is comprised of natural elements and OM (organic matter), but it is altered by man.

Show me a plastic tree and I'll say it's organic...

Anyway, thats not what those links were meant to do, they just illustrate how our country over consumes and is more wasteful than any other country in the world.

ps. you are not organic, unless you don't eat any bullshit processed food, take bullshit medicine, eat 100% organic non genetically modified food ... you are not organic, our body has built up toxins that we absorb everyday, some organic some altered or created by humans ...aka NON ORGANIC

Wow, thats a right good Public Education you got. Might want to actually learn something cause you apparently don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Did you not pay attention in Chemistry class, or were you simply not present when they discussed Carbon. Epic fucking Fail.

Organic chemistry, that which treats of the substances which form the structure of organized beings and their products, whether animal or vegetable; -- called also chemistry of the carbon compounds.

Even if we go with the bullshit theory that oil is made from dead Dinosaurs, its still fucking ORGANIC! Hydrocarbons contain Carbon and DiHydrogenMonOxide. Plastic, as I said, is a polymer of Hydrocarbon.