Global Warming Update: Record Arctic Ice Gain

[green73]

With a few weeks of growth still to occur, the Arctic has blown away the previous record for ice gain this winter. This is only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km² of new ice has formed.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/most-ice-gain-ever-recorded/

 

[ItsTime]

If that is your graph I would add a source. That is the only thing stopping from me from adding that photo to Facebook.

 

[green73]

If that is your graph I would add a source. That is the only thing stopping from me from adding that photo to Facebook.

Thanks for pointing that out. Here's the data source.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008

 

[Zippyjuan]

How does that comapre to ice loss? Let's say you weighed 200 pounds and lost 100. Then you gained back 50. That is your biggest weight gain ever- but you are still losing weight. The stat does not tell the whole story and can be misleading.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Average Arctic sea ice extent for January 2013 was the sixth lowest for the month in the satellite record. Through 2013, the linear rate of decline for January ice extent is -3.2 percent per decade relative to the 1979 to 2000 average.

 

[TonySutton]

Looking at the raw data from the one link, things don't seem to match up. Maybe I am not looking at it correctly.

 

[sailingaway]

dang! no wonder the UN committee is now having to admit each of their models over the last ten year were way off!

I understand they still want to implement all the things they were using the warming crises to push, though.

 

[sailingaway]

How does that comapre to ice loss? Let's say you weighed 200 pounds and lost 100. Then you gained back 50. That is your biggest weight gain ever- but you are still losing weight. The stat does not tell the whole story and can be misleading.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Well, that is true, but the warming seems to have a whole lot more correlation to sunspot activity.

I mean someday the sun is going red giant and we will be inside it. Before then, who knows what stages it will go through and their impact on us?

 

[jbauer]

must be why gas prices are way up. we're entering a new iceage

 

[sailingaway]

must be why gas prices are way up. we're entering a new iceage

Or it has something to do with Obama agreeing to export our oil to China.

 

[Zippyjuan]

We also can't make any long- term judgements based on what happens in any one year.

 

[green73]

Sea Ice Sets All Time Record High (Antarctica)
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/sea-ice-sets-all-time-record-high/

The Dirty Little Secret About Arctic Ice (it's mostly lost during winter)
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/the-dirty-little-secret-about-arctic-ice/

Arctic Ice Increasing For Seven Years

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/arctic-ice-increasing-for-seven-years/

 

[Zippyjuan]

Looking at the raw data from the one link, things don't seem to match up. Maybe I am not looking at it correctly.

The first chart is showing how much the ice grew back in the winter after its summer melting. It doesn't show how much melted so we don't know if what is left is more or less than there was the year before.

 

[green73]

How does that comapre to ice loss? Let's say you weighed 200 pounds and lost 100. Then you gained back 50. That is your biggest weight gain ever- but you are still losing weight. The stat does not tell the whole story and can be misleading.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/?s=nsidc

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/12/sea-ice-news-volume-4-1-arctic-ice-gain-sets-a-new-record/

Watts Up With That? is a great AGW debunking website.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Arctic Ice Increasing For Seven Years

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/arctic-ice-increasing-for-seven-years/

Why is he only looking at seven years (there are actually eight years shown on the chart)? My chart is longer and you can see why when you expand the time frame. He is picking points which show what he wants to show. I could use his same data to show the exact opposite by simply removing the last point on his chart. Or take the last five years instead of the last eight. Now it would be showing a dramatic decline in ice.

 

[brandon]

This is only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km² of new ice has formed.

Claims like this are what's wrong the climate debate on both sides. This is a great example of drawing shitty incorrect conclusions from questionable records to try and push an agenda. What that really should say is

"Based on one set of records which are of questionable accuracy, this is the 3rd time in the past 30ish years that more than 10 million km² of new ice has formed."


But on the positive side at least he immediately shows his bias and disregard for honesty, so you don't have to waste any time seriously considering the things he says.

 

[green73]

Why is he only looking at seven years? My chart is longer and you can see why. He is picking points which show what he wants to show. I could use his same data to show the exact opposite by simply removing the last point on his chart.

He is using 7 consecutive years starting from when the trend began. How could this be happening? AGW religion says we're meant to have runaway warming. Wasn't the arctic meant to be ice free by 2012? Ha!

 

[green73]

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/12/sea-ice-news-volume-4-1-arctic-ice-gain-sets-a-new-record/

Watts Up With That? is a great AGW debunking website.

Yup, and they use Steve Goddard's work all the time.

 

[Zippyjuan]

He is using 7 consecutive years starting from when the trend began. How could this be happening? AGW religion says we're meant to have runaway warming. Wasn't the arctic meant to be ice free by 2012? Ha!

There was one projection which claimed that in summer, arctic waterways may be ice free by 2013. It did not say that there would be no ice in the Arctic after that point.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

This was the most pessimistic prediction anybody made.

But was it wrong? It actually happened the first time in 2007.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070917-northwest-passage.html

Arctic Melt Opens Northwest Passage
John Roach
for National Geographic News
September 17, 2007

The famed Northwest Passage—a direct shipping route from Europe to Asia across the Arctic Ocean—is ice free for the first time since satellite records began in 1978, scientists reported Friday.

The passage is a shortcut between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans through the Canadian Arctic. It would save valuable time and fuel for ships that now travel through the Suez Canal in Egypt or the Panama Canal in Central America.

Satellite Images

The opening of the Northwest Passage is clearly shown in a mosaic of 200 satellite images from the European Space Agency (ESA).

The snapshots also reveal that the Northeast Passage—a similar route that winds along Siberia's coast instead of Canada's—is nearly clear.

Those passages have been traversed in the past—with difficulty—including in recent years as ice cover thinned.

Article from 2010:
http://climatesignals.org/2010/10/18-ships-clear-northwest-passage/

This summer marks the 4th year in a row — and the 4th time in recorded history — that the fabled Northwest Passage has opened for navigation. Indeed, 18 ships have travelled through this passage and cleared customs this year in Inuvik according to the Canada Border Services Agency. In 2009 the number was seven. It is also possible now to circumnavigate the Arctic through both passages in ice-free waters and this is the 3rd year in a row and the 3rd time in known history that this was possible. Indeed, a company, Beluga Shipping, was the first shipping company last year to transport goods in two ships from South Korea through the Northeast Passage to Siberia.

 

[jbauer]

We also can't make any long- term judgements based on what happens in any one year.

Why Obama's going to go on TV tonight and talk about the "record surpluses" he's had for one month of his 4 years so far. By record surplus I mean less deficit.