Global Warming Update: Record Arctic Ice Gain

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

How does that comapre to ice loss? Let's say you weighed 200 pounds and lost 100. Then you gained back 50. That is your biggest weight gain ever- but you are still losing weight. The stat does not tell the whole story and can be misleading.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Construct factories. Build quality products within those factories. Put those quality products within packages and then sell them. Washington DC kiss my ass!

 

[Dr.3D]

Well, that is true, but the warming seems to have a whole lot more correlation to sunspot activity.

I mean someday the sun is going red giant and we will be inside it. Before then, who knows what stages it will go through and their impact on us?

But they don't want to talk about the sun. Point out that the sun is responsible for what they claim is man made warming and they will say they don't want to talk about the sun. It goes against their religion.

 

[green73]

There was one projection which claimed that in summer, arctic waterways may be ice free by 2013. It did not say that there would be no ice in the Arctic after that point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

This was the most pessimistic prediction anybody made.

But was it wrong? It actually happened the first time in 2007.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070917-northwest-passage.html



Article from 2010:
http://climatesignals.org/2010/10/18-ships-clear-northwest-passage/

Some Important Ice-Free Arctic Forecasts
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/some-important-ice-free-arctic-forecasts/

More:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/?s=ice+free+arctic


1854 Northwest Passage Discovered
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/1854-northwest-passage/

1969 : Northwest Passage Normally Open 2-4 Months A Year
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...west-passage-normally-open-2-4-months-a-year/

Northwest Passage In 1905
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/northwest-passage-in-1905/

More:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/?s=northwest+passage

 

[Lucille]

But they don't want to talk about the sun. Point out that the sun is responsible for what they claim is man made warming and they will say they don't want to talk about the sun. It goes against their religion.

This. There is no sun god in the Church of Global Warming.

Hey "Juan," don't you ever get tired of being an establishment tool, spreading govt propaganda? You should quit your job before they fire your transparent butt anyway, because you really suck at it.

It's happening, people, the question is whether you'll be standing there arguing with a fake sockpuppet of the establishment or shoving your foot up his or her fictitious ass when it happens to you.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I see. All you can come up with is name calling. Thanks anyways. Adding some facts to support a postion would be nicer.

 

[Zippyjuan]

As for the sun, yes, it does impact our weather here. Does that rule out man impacting it as well? No, it does not. I have used this example before. Let's use the waves on a lake to represent temperatures. High wave peaks are high temperatures and low troughs are low temperatures. Some years are hotter, some are colder. These are caused by nature- the sun and the moon in the case of tides. Now man sails by in his motorboat- our activities on the planet. It causes its own waves which get added onto the existing waves. Depending on where they are in the synchronization, the natural waves become larger or smaller. The waves are still there but man's actions changed their size and shape.

 

[Acala]

We also can't make any long- term judgements based on what happens in any one year.

We can't make any long-term judgements about the climate EVER. 10,000 years is a blink. And it's a chaotic system, meaning hypersensitivity to initial conditions such that it is not possible to predict conditions in the long term.

 

[Lucille]

I see. All you can come up with is name calling. Thanks anyways.

What name? If you're talking about tool, I didn't mean it in that way (see below), but a certain slang definition applies too.

tool noun
5. anything used as a means of accomplishing a task or purpose
5. a person used to perform dishonourable or unpleasant tasks for another

 

[Zippyjuan]

I am honored that you are my #1 repper.

 

[Lucille]

I am honored that you are my #1 repper.

"Juan," I am on a one-woman crusade to reduce your rep to one red bar. You should prefer to live in the streets rather than to be one of the many establishment tools trolling forums and spreading govt propaganda for money. In my book, that's lower than a TSA agent, and it would be a step up for you if you went and worked for them instead. I'm sure your govt employer would transfer you if you asked, especially since your cover's been blown.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Over 500 more to go- but I don't really care what my rep number is. I am sorry you don't like me. Nothing wrong with disagreeing on things. Show where I am wrong on things- proving me wrong will show others. They can't read my reps.

 

[Dr.3D]

As for the sun, yes, it does impact our weather here. Does that rule out man impacting it as well? No, it does not. I have used this example before. Let's use the waves on a lake to represent temperatures. High wave peaks are high temperatures and low troughs are low temperatures. Some years are hotter, some are colder. These are caused by nature- the sun and the moon in the case of tides. Now man sails by in his motorboat- our activities on the planet. It causes its own waves which get added onto the existing waves. Depending on where they are in the synchronization, the natural waves become larger or smaller. The waves are still there but man's actions changed their size and shape.

I believe the amount of impact man has on the climate is about the same as a person peeing in an Olympic size swimming pool has on it's salinity.

 

[Zippyjuan]

A volcano can impact climate. Consider how things cooled after Mt St Helens erupted. One person won't have any impact but millions can.

Consider Australia. In southern Australia they cut down trees and modified rivers for agriculture and human use. Now the area is hit regularly with drought and major wildfires they never had problems with before.

Trees in the Rocky Mountains have been decimated for decades now by beetles (not just man) and now they too are being hit with more droughts and bad fires.

 

[Dr.3D]

A volcano can impact climate. Consider how things cooled after Mt St Helens erupted. One person won't have any impact but millions can.

Well of course everything has an impact. It's just how much impact that is in question. Even a fly farting has an impact on the environment.

 

[Lucille]

Over 500 more to go- but I don't really care what my rep number is. I am sorry you don't like me. Nothing wrong with disagreeing on things. Show where I am wrong on things- proving me wrong will show others. They can't read my reps.

I don't take directives from, or argue with, govt sockpuppets. I've told you before that you will get nothing from me but -reps and occasional posts calling you out for what you are (until you decide to take that more honorable job at the TSA, of course). If you don't like it, that's just TFB. I'll leave the others here who believe you're legit to prove you wrong when your spewing the govt propaganda that is your bread and butter.

It's happening, people, the question is whether you'll be standing there arguing with a fake sockpuppet of the establishment or shoving your foot up his or her fictitious ass when it happens to you.

 

[BSU kid]

If you loose a heck of a lot of ice in the warm Months, it is unsurprising that you would see a lot of growth in the cold months since all the open water that did not exist before will now be freezing over. At least that is what I perceive from this news.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Here's an update on ANTHROPOCENE . Sometimes, the most relevant updates come from the classroom as opposed to the press room. It's that magic line that separates science from politics. I've mentioned before.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Call me "General Skeptic". I never give any "statistics" a lot of weight because I've learned that the old saw ".. there's 3 kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics..." is true more often than not.

Being as old as I am I remember some of the same (younger) scientists telling us in the 60's how our petroleum use is causing the planet to "cool" and was already bringing on a new "ice age". They also claimed we would use ALL the remaining oil by the 1990's.

HA HA HA HA HAAAH....

Bunch of clowns, I say. We couldn't change the planet's environment significantly no matter WHAT we did. We could set every asset on fire and pollute the local areas for a short time, but then nature would clean it up. Look at Valdez (anyone remember that one?). That tanker spill was going to destroy that entire area for 100 years they said. Nope, wrong again. Valdez is a very beautiful area with lots of wildlife. Nature restored itself in a matter of a few years.

Really, HOW do you think us little ants here on this big ball can make ANY real impact? Have you looked out the window of a plane at 38,000 feet? Can you even SEE a smokestack? If you look really hard, you can see a little tiny stream of smoke emptying into this HUGE atmosphere that contains so much volume, that there's really no significant change in the chemical makeup of the atmosphere. Look at big volcanic eruptions and they put out much more pollution than we can and in the past, this planet has had periods of much greater volcanic activity, yet the planet survived and here we are.

I also question the "data" as being only a small subset of the whole. How many places are used for measurement? How do they determine the thickness of the ice? What if the ice is 20% thicker where they measure it, but a mile away (where they did not measure) it's 50% less? Most of what we call "data" is really extrapolated from a smaller set of actual measurements and then published as if they are true measurements...

Scientists are men just like you and I and guess what, they are prone to "stretching the truth" to get the research $$$...

George Carlin on Global Warming...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpPrRO1Tho

 

[Lucille]

Bunch of clowns, I say. We couldn't change the planet's environment significantly no matter WHAT we did.

This! It's ridiculous. Progs and their delusions of grandeur.

Great vid! That man was a national treasure.

 

[puppetmaster]

Or it has something to do with Obama agreeing to export our oil to China.

nice when did that happen.....missed something else to bitch about to my lib co workers