Global Warming huh...On pace to be coldest July EVER

[fisharmor]

Jesus, this thread is full of shit.

You guys never know what the fuck you believe.

No, I know what I believe.


I BELIEVE IN MANBEARPIG!

 

[Sandman33]

It's pretty hot here, IMO.

Although, there have been record cold temperatures all around the world this year.

Wel of course it's going to be hot anywhere Natalie is!

 

[Danke]

Jesus, this thread is full of shit.

You guys never know what the fuck you believe.

One day its: The earth is warming, it's just not man's fault!

The next day its: The earth is cooling, suck it environmentalists!!!

No, you just have a reading comprehension problem common with many liberals.

Speaking for myself, I think the globe may be warming, but it has little to do with Man's inputs. And if I'm wrong and it does, the damage of intervention (especially from government) to restrict our activities is much worse than just adapting to the gradual changes coming along. Adaption, as we have always done throughout our history.

 

[Danke]

Wel of course it's going to be hot anywhere Natalie is!

Some just thought it, Sandman said it. Prepare for the wrath of JOSH.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Jesus, this thread is full of shit.

You guys never know what the fuck you believe.

One day its: The earth is warming, it's just not man's fault!

The next day its: The earth is cooling, suck it environmentalists!!!

Wow man you make no sense, are you the type who believed in global warming? Because if you do, you just invalidated your own arguments.

"One day its: The earth is warming, it's just not man's fault!"

Ok yea, it's not man's fault at all, the Earth warms and cools.....been happening since before man was even on the planet

"The next day its: The earth is cooling, suck it environmentalists!!!"

Ok and this is inconsistent how? It just proves that man was NOT causing global warming. You have the burden of proof, not us. Both these statements are consistent. Don't be upset when the whole basis for your fear mongering global warming blows up in your face. The earth can be very temperamental....

Global warming zealots want to be right no matter what the evidence is...that is why this whole movement is a religion. It's simply not based in fact.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Wow man you make no sense, are you the type who believed in global warming? Because if you do, you just invalidated your own arguments.

"One day its: The earth is warming, it's just not man's fault!"

Ok yea, it's not man's fault at all, the Earth warms and cools.....been happening since before man was even on the planet

"The next day its: The earth is cooling, suck it environmentalists!!!"

Ok and this is inconsistent how? It just proves that man was NOT causing global warming. You have the burden of proof, not us. Both these statements are consistent. Don't be upset when the whole basis for your fear mongering global warming blows up in your face. The earth can be very temperamental....

Global warming zealots want to be right no matter what the evidence is...that is why this whole movement is a religion. It's simply not based in fact.

Let me rephrase it for you then: We all agree that the earth goes through long phases in temperatures. Like ice ages > warmer period > ice age, and so on.

What I'm saying is that the people on these boards always change their mind on what phase they believe we are in right now.

They either say that global warming is happening, but the result of solar cycles etc.

Or they say the globe is not warming at all, but cooling, like the OPin this thread.

Only one or the other can be true, because these phases take centuries to complete.

Whereas, on the other hand, people who believe in man-made global warming, like me, stick with one narrative, because we consider all facts and assimilate them as a whole, instead of going with the wind on a day to day basis.

 

[Sandra]

We has record high for June, and record lows for July, and 8 inches of snow in mid December in Louisiana. It really looks like a shift in seasons.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Global Warming is a bad term. Climate change is more accurate. It will not get warmer every year in every place. Climate change theory says that some places will become warmer and drier and some will get colder and wetter. Climate will change. No big deal on this- it has happened for centuries on the planet. The question (which is impossible to prove) is that are the activities of humans having an impact on the planet? In local areas, certainly. Tearing down forests and building cities or farms changes the planet. Those places may experience changes in weather and temperature because those trees are not around. Again, local effects.
There are natural factors which cause the climage to change. Probably one of the more significant ones recognized so far are sun spots. Changes in ocean currents are another. The two real questions is are man's activities causing more of a change than those effects and if so, can man possibly do anything to change that impact? We can spend massive amounts of our resources towards this and probably have minimal effect compared to natural cycles. This diverts resources from other uses as little to no benefit. Much lower cost if you are serious about trying to deal with it is to well, deal with it. Too hot? Move or find some sort of cooling. Too dry? Again, move or try to find some other sources of water.

Maybe air pollution helps filter out the sunshine and offsets the heat sinks that are our cities (black roads and roofs absorbing the solar heat in the daytime and releasing it at night- not allowing things to cool down as much as they would otherwise).

To say that it is hotter this month than it was last year or that you had more snowfall than any time in the last decade is no proof one way or the other of if this is actually happening or not. Yes, it is happening. Is it reasonable for humans to control the weather? They would like to think so but there are larger forces at work. Maybe we need a giant rocket to push us a little bit further from the sun. That would cool us down a bit.

There are things we can and probably need to do like finding alternatives to oil but not necessarily for climate reasons but to reduce our dependence on its imports and also because eventually we won't be able to afford it due to scarcity. Cleaning the air and water is good too- it improves our health. These are much more tangible benefits than trying to keep the average temperature from going up a tenth of a degree in 20 years.

 

[Danke]

What I'm saying is that the people on these boards always change their mind on what phase they believe we are in right now.

They either say that global warming is happening, but the result of solar cycles etc.

Or they say the globe is not warming at all, but cooling, like the OPin this thread.

Only one or the other can be true, because these phases take centuries to complete.

Whereas, on the other hand, people who believe in man-made global warming, like me, stick with one narrative, because we consider all facts and assimilate them as a whole, instead of going with the wind on a day to day basis.

"They, They, They."

Again, you are collectivizing "those on this board" as I have addressed here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2223233&postcount=23

But somehow you are different from others "on this board" cause your beliefs have not changed, you "stick with one narrative."

Where is John Stossel, give me a beak.

Tell your theories to the 31,000+ scientist, many whose original data was misrepresented in the UN report, without their permission, and not redacted when they requested.

 

[BenIsForRon]

There are things we can and probably need to do like finding alternatives to oil but not necessarily for climate reasons but to reduce our dependence on its imports and also because eventually we won't be able to afford it due to scarcity. Cleaning the air and water is good too- it improves our health. These are much more tangible benefits than trying to keep the average temperature from going up a tenth of a degree in 20 years.

Don't forget, even though you can't really put a dollar amount on it, it would be nice to maintain some of the incredible natural wonders the earth has produced over the past billion years. I would hate to lose the Amazon rain forest, we haven't even discovered a quarter of the species there.

And to you point about the earth getting warmer some places and cooler in others, that is true, for a while. However, if we keep producing CO2 at the current rate, then almost every part of the earth will be significantly warmer within a century or so.

 

[BenIsForRon]

"They, They, They."

Again, you are collectivizing "those on this board" as I have addressed here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2223233&postcount=23

But somehow you are different from others "on this board" cause your beliefs have not changed, you "stick with one narrative."

Where is John Stossel, give me a beak.

Tell your theories to the 31,000+ scientist, many whose original data was misrepresented in the UN report, without their permission, and not redacted when they requested.

Sorry about the harsh collectivizing language, but these boards used to not be overrun by gloal warming deniers (don't correct me on my semantics, you know who I'm referring to!). Now, it seems like I'm in an incredibly small minority of people who worry about things like environmental side effects to industry.

 

[brandon]

Just as one month of warm temperatures doesn't prove global warming, one month of cool temperatures doesn't disprove it.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Tell your theories to the 31,000+ scientist, many whose original data was misrepresented in the UN report, without their permission, and not redacted when they requested.

I would appreciate a link or two about those IPCC folks who felt misrepresented. I met one of the guys in the IPCC, a professor from Rutgers, and that definitely wasn't the case with him. He was pleased with the overall statement that came from the group.

 

[__27__]

However, if we keep producing CO2 at the current rate, then almost every part of the earth will be significantly warmer within a century or so.

Based on what? You're berating the OP for pointing out a cold trend in localized weather out one side of your mouth and spouting off barely passable scientific theory as accepted fact?

You do more harm than good to the need for environmental and climate study when you run around spouting junk science as fact.

 

[BenIsForRon]

I'm going off memory of a lecture an IPCC climatologist gave to my class. I could try to get a copy of his power point, or find another source.

 

[Catatonic]

Record breaking lows don't matter, only record breaking highs. Please take your blasphemy against the Church of Gore elsewhere.

Thanks!

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Either way, I'll just adapt or keep moving north. Though in my lifetime, I doubt weather will get too out of control.

 

[coyote_sprit]

Let me rephrase it for you then: We all agree that the earth goes through long phases in temperatures. Like ice ages > warmer period > ice age, and so on.

What I'm saying is that the people on these boards always change their mind on what phase they believe we are in right now.

They either say that global warming is happening, but the result of solar cycles etc.

Or they say the globe is not warming at all, but cooling, like the OPin this thread.

Only one or the other can be true, because these phases take centuries to complete.

Whereas, on the other hand, people who believe in man-made global warming, like me, stick with one narrative, because we consider all facts and assimilate them as a whole, instead of going with the wind on a day to day basis.

When it comes to the solar cycles people they said the Earth was warming for like 30 years because of the solar cycle and that the cycles are slowing down and therefore the earth is cooling again.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Either way, I'll just adapt or keep moving north. Though in my lifetime, I doubt weather will get too out of control.

Well, the concern isn't just for our generation, of course. I think there are more pressing issues, that if we deal with them, they will positively affect the climate anyway. Getting off coal and oil has many benefits besides reducing emissions, like creating sustainable economies, less destruction of ecosystems for mining, decentralized electricity grids, etc.

 

[Mandrik]

I hate hot weather, and it gets pretty hot in York, Pa. This summer has been fantastic. I turn the A/C on when it starts to get warm, but I think I only had it going two times since May. If this is global warming then sign me up.