Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

[cajuncocoa]

Oh my, your dot doesn't fall on the exact same spot as Ron Paul's. Someone prepare the stake, we're going to have a witch burning today!!

 

[AuH20]

You think Beck--a guy who regularly promotes the legalization of drugs and the total abolishment of the Federal Reserve--is going to score between Rubio and Santorum? Haha.

Beck didn't even like many of Santorum's stances when he endorsed him. There is an interview floating around when he castigated Santorum on his show for his questionable votes and comments. Nevertheless, he still felt Santorum was a more palatable choice than Ron Paul, who was too "all or nothing" for his liking.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You think Beck--a guy who regularly promotes the legalization of drugs and the total abolishment of the Federal Reserve--is going to score between Rubio and Santorum? Haha.

while telling his audience NEVER to vote for candidates who promote the legalization of drugs and the abolishment of the Fed.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

What exactly is the difference between a "non defensive war" and an "offensive war"?

I was making the distinction between a defensive war - one in which a country is attacked - and a "third party" defensive war.

 

[Article V]

Here's what works for me....

this is my score

Ron Paul:

By the way, both your score and Ron's score are a little too moderate for my taste; but I don't go around demonizing. In my opinion, the more libertarian one becomes the more one learns to accept others rather than demonize them, and trust that eventually your ideas will prevail and convince them if you can figure out a way to communicate.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Beck didn't even like many of Santorum's stances when he endorsed him. There is an interview floating around when he castigated Santorum on his show for his questionable votes and comments. Nevertheless, he still felt Santorum was a more palatable choice than Ron Paul, who was too "all or nothing" for his liking.

And yet Santorum was 10-fold more 'all or nothing' (on his pet social issues) than Ron Paul has ever been.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

To be fair, the legal definition of 'defense' is "self defense and defense of others."

By law (and as it happens, by the NAP) you are as authorized to use deadly force to defend your neighbor as you are yourself.

I'm not trying to imply whether or not this applies at the national level, but if what we are doing is taking the individual concept of "NAP" or "defense" then we have to account for the legitimacy of 'defense of others' in BOTH of those frameworks.

Also, from a strictly constitutional standpoint, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 10 to "define and punish ... Offenses against the Law of Nations" is one even we Paulers tend to overlook.

Point being not that defending another nation is necessarily right, but rather than EVEN in the NAP, the legal definition of 'defense,' and in the US Constitution the issue is not remotely as cut and dry as it's being made out to be.

Granted, Gunny.

In that post, I was specifically referring to my personal moral objections.

 

[Confederate]

And yet Santorum was 10-fold more 'all or nothing' (on his pet social issues) than Ron Paul has ever been.

Santorum is quite a bit better than Ron on social issues.

 

[FrancisMarion]

I used to watch Glenn on TV for awhile and then stopped. I have listened to him on the radio recently as I have been traveling more. I don't declare that I know as much of him and his tactics as you do. However, I do find that what he says is agreeable in large part to my thinking and if I can collectively say so, what this board thinks as a whole.

So I bring this as an inquisitive analogy and question:

Since when do endorsements matter? Since Rand endorsed Romney? The argument for Rand's endorsement of Romney was that the real determination of Rand's worth in in his record and daily political statements and posturing. I agree.

What if GB has had to play a different game with the same dynamics? What if he has had to do this last minute "endorsing" to continue to be a presence?

What if he is more of an ally than you think? Should his judgement be determined through what he says from day to day or what he says come election time?

 

[cajuncocoa]

You think Beck--a guy who regularly promotes the legalization of drugs and the total abolishment of the Federal Reserve--is going to score between Rubio and Santorum? Haha.

I wish there had been a question about the Federal Reserve on the test, but there wasn't. I don't think the drug law enforcement question would be enough to qualify Beck as a libertarian. Just my opinion.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Santorum is quite a bit better than Ron on social issues.

I hope this is sarcasm.....

 

[AuH20]

And yet Santorum was 10-fold more 'all or nothing' (on his pet social issues) than Ron Paul has ever been.

I don't think Ron won any fans by being tricked into supporting heroin use on national TV nor constantly advocating that we must remove every foreign base by next Tuesday. I believe that ideoligical rigidity drove away potential voters including Beck, who largely agree with Ron Paul's general message.

 

[Confederate]

I hope this is sarcasm.....

Santorum is anti-abortion, Ron Paul isn't. Santorum is anti-birth control, Ron Paul isn't.

IMO, Santorum is much better than Ron on those issues.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

By the way, both your score and Ron's score are a little too moderate for my taste; but I don't go around demonizing. In my opinion, the more libertarian one becomes the more one learns to accept others rather than demonize them, and trust that eventually your ideas will prevail and convince them if you can figure out a way to communicate.

It isn't about demonization. It's about what we are willing to accept morally, in my case and I'm willing to bet in cc's, also.

Our position on this issue means that we're not going to support a candidate, or a personality, who is going to as a matter of policy or a matter of advocacy, result in people being killed in wars of aggression.

While I can understand how that might seem like we're "demonizing", it might be worthwhile for some folks who are willing to make such coalitions to consider those consequences.

 

[cajuncocoa]

By the way, both your score and Ron's score are a little too moderate for my taste; but I don't go around demonizing. In my opinion, the more libertarian one becomes the more one learns to accept others rather than demonize them, and trust that eventually your ideas will prevail and convince them if you can figure out a way to communicate.

It's not about "demonizing"....whether I would support you politically (or you would support me) doesn't mean we can't respect one another. This is about the improper use of a word; trying to make it mean something other than what it really means.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't think Ron won any fans by being tricked into supporting heroin use on national TV nor constantly advocating that we must remove every foreign base by next Tuesday. I believe that ideoligical rigidity drove away potential voters including Beck.

Only because Beck agreed with Santorum's 1000x "all or nothings" while he didn't like Ron Paul's 100x "all or nothings."

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I wish there had been a question about the Federal Reserve on the test, but there wasn't. I don't think the drug law enforcement question would be enough to qualify Beck as a libertarian. Just my opinion.

A lot of those tests are poorly written. There was one I saw that skewed the answers in such a way that only a die hard socialist would choose anything but the "libertarian" answer. And of course, when you completed the test you were shown to be a "libertarian" - congrats to you, sign up for our newsletter.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Santorum is anti-abortion, Ron Paul isn't. Santorum is anti-birth control, Ron Paul isn't.

IMO, Santorum is much better than Ron on those issues.

Ok, we're just going to have to agree that I now consider you a space alien.

 

[Carlybee]

Santorum is quite a bit better than Ron on social issues.

How so?

 

[AuH20]

Only because Beck agreed with Santorum's 1000x "all or nothings" while he didn't like Ron Paul's 100x "all or nothings."

I wouldn't say that was the prime reason. It was more of a faith based bias. Beck gravitated more to Santorum despite ample disagreement, because he felt he was a man of God, which isn't as prounounced with Ron.