Glenn Beck: I'm Done With Establishment Republicans, I Support Constitutonalists Like Rand

[A Son of Liberty]

The bible defines that life is in the blood. If you come from a strictly Christian perspective, "life begins at conception" is a fiction. Per scripture, and I mean genesis through revelation scripture - the whole thing - life comes from the breath of God that is carried in the blood. An unborn child becomes 'alive' the moment there is a presence of blood. Which is ~12 days after conception. From a purely scriptural theology, the morning after pill and birth control are perfectly acceptable.

The reason you end up with 'life begins at conception' zealots, is the same reason you have Baptists screaming hellfire and damnation over wine and dancing. Organic corruption. This is one of the top-5 complaints that Jesus Christ made against the Pharisees - drawing hedges around the law.

Thanks for this; I'm ashamed to say that I did not know this.

I had no idea that, based strictly upon an areligious, philosophical stance, I hold a more strict view regarding abortion than the Bible!

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I support Ron for his "ideological rigidity".... you never have to wonder where he stands on something. He's consistent. Of course people aren't ready for that...they're too used to listening to the wishy-washy opinions of people like Beck, who decide how they feel about an issue depending on which party proposed it.

Ron's "ideological rigidity" appealed to two types of folks. One is long time libertarian/paleo-con folks like myself that understand what he is speaking about, and the other were the new people that were "tired of the same old politicians" and appreciated the frankness of what he said. The problem was the 99% of the rest of the voters whom he scared shitless with that rigidity.

 

[Carlybee]

No, and to say so is intellectually dishonest. Saying that is not much better than when the media labelled Ron as supporting drug use and prostitution.

Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but not far off base. The guy is scary right wing and unacceptable to many women of the libertarian bent. Perhaps Phyllis Schaffly likes him. LOL

 

[cajuncocoa]

More like that he has "arrived", politically speaking. He is considered a legitimate presidential candidate, despite all the attempts to nullify his ascent.

He has definitely "arrived" and is "ascending"....I just don't know for certain yet if I'm on board with him.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Beck told his audience they should support an orange (the fruit) over Barack Obama. Beck said that he'd literally vote for ANYONE who was not Barack Obama. The only reasons Beck didn't endorse Ron Paul is because Beck didn't think Ron had a snowball's chance of winning and thought Ron's policy of sit-back-and-watch-Iran-get-a-nuke was suicidal. I obviously disagree with Beck on those two points, but he's not un-libertarian for thinking those things and then making a regrettable political endorsement based off what he considered less than desirable circumstances. Ultimately, I believe Beck was just acting as a preservationist trying to hold a wall as best he could until a future election presents him with a candidate he agrees with more. I'm not going to demonize him for that, especially when his next candidate (Rand) is my next candidate!

I listen to Beck regularly. I disagree with two things here:

1. Beck would wholly endorse a preemptive attack on Iran. That makes him un-libertarian, in the sense which we all here are using it.

2. Beck got fully on the Romney bandwagon. He was - and I shit you not, here - comparing him (favorably!) to George Washington. He gave no indication that he was making a regrettable endorsement. It's true, his first pick was Santorum and/or Bachmann, but he was ALL IN for Romney, to the point that it was embarrassing.

 

[Confederate]

Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but not far off base. The guy is scary right wing and unacceptable to many women of the libertarian bent. Perhaps Phyllis Schaffly likes him. LOL

Schaffly is an amazing woman and I wish more young women looked up to her as a role model.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Beck told his audience they should support an orange (the fruit) over Barack Obama. Beck said that he'd literally vote for ANYONE who was not Barack Obama. The only reasons Beck didn't endorse Ron Paul is because Beck didn't think Ron had a snowball's chance of winning and thought Ron's policy of sit-back-and-watch-Iran-get-a-nuke was suicidal. I obviously disagree with Beck on those two points, but he's not un-libertarian for thinking those things and then making a regrettable political endorsement based off what he considered less than desirable circumstances. Ultimately, I believe Beck was just acting as a preservationist trying to hold a wall as best he could until a future election presents him with a candidate he agrees with more. I'm not going to demonize him for that, especially when his next candidate (Rand) is my next candidate!

Beck could be the most libertarian human being on the planet Earth. It's irrelevant. Every election like clockwork he demands that his people vote for the hard-core establishmentarian. That's whats relevant.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ron's "ideological rigidity" appealed to two types of folks. One is long time libertarian/paleo-con folks like myself that understand what he is speaking about, and the other were the new people that were "tired of the same old politicians" and appreciated the frankness of what he said. The problem was the 99% of the rest of the voters whom he scared shitless with that rigidity.

At least they were told to be scared shitless. We're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves. Glenn Beck is responsible for a lot of that thinking, hence I can never have anything but contempt for Beck.

TPTB did everything in their power to marginalize Ron and paint him as a kook...Ron threatened the status quo like nobody has done before or since.

 

[Carlybee]

I remember Beck from the early post 9-11 days with all his Freedom Rallies...no bigger gung ho Bush apologist warmonger around at the time.

 

[AuH20]

I listen to Beck regularly. I disagree with two things here:

1. Beck would wholly endorse a preemptive attack on Iran. That makes him un-libertarian, in the sense which we all here are using it.

2. Beck got fully on the Romney bandwagon. He was - and I shit you not, here - comparing him (favorably!) to George Washington. He gave no indication that he was making a regrettable endorsement. It's true, his first pick was Santorum and/or Bachmann, but he was ALL IN for Romney, to the point that it was embarrassing.

Point #1 is correct. But #2 is misleading. I heard Beck frequently criticize Romney as a lackluster choice during election season, but a necessary evil in comparison to Obama.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Schaffly is an amazing woman and I wish more young women looked up to her as a role model.

One facepalm isn't enough for this one.

 

[georgiaboy]

Beck got fully on the Romney bandwagon.

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[CaptLouAlbano]

At least they were told to be scared shitless. We're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves. Glenn Beck is responsible for a lot of that thinking, hence I can never have anything but contempt for Beck.

TPTB did everything in their power to marginalize Ron and paint him as a kook...Ron threatened the status quo like nobody has done before or since.

They did, but I do not agree with the statement that "we're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves". I know many people with whom I am friends with who did not support Ron because of his "black & white" type of speaking. These are intelligent people who were successful in their careers and lives. It is elitist to assume that everyone that didn't "get it" is somehow not thinking for themselves. The left uses similar language and it is disingenuous.

In all honesty how is saying "we're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves" any different that when Obama referred to people as "clinging to their guns and their Bibles"?

 

[Article V]

You think Beck--a guy who regularly promotes the legalization of drugs and the total abolishment of the Federal Reserve--is going to score between Rubio and Santorum? Haha.

I wish there had been a question about the Federal Reserve on the test, but there wasn't. I don't think the drug law enforcement question would be enough to qualify Beck as a libertarian. Just my opinion. I wish there had been a question about the Federal Reserve on the test, but there wasn't. I don't think the drug law enforcement question would be enough to qualify Beck as a libertarian. Just my opinion.

Well, I wasn't trying to say whether Beck is or isn't libertarian (only Beck knows for certain); I was more laughing at the idea that Beck would score between Rubio and Santorum on any political test. There's just no way that's true.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, I wasn't trying to say whether Beck is or isn't libertarian (only Beck knows for certain); I was more laughing at the idea that Beck would score between Rubio and Santorum on any political test. There's just no way that's true.

Looks true to me. But then I discern based on actions not words.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I remember Beck from the early post 9-11 days with all his Freedom Rallies...no bigger gung ho Bush apologist warmonger around at the time.

I had only heard of him before 2008...when his show was first broadcast in the NOLA market, I listened (and like some here, I fell for it...but not for long!!) During the summer of 2008, he was critical of Bush and called him a "progressive" (and Beck hinted at the idea that he was becoming a libertarian even then)....damn, I thought he was getting it!! Over time, it became obvious that he's nothing but a charlatan. By the time Debra Medina was on his show I had already stopped listening regularly, but I tuned in that morning to hear how that would go. That was the last straw for me.

 

[Confederate]

One facepalm isn't enough for this one.

Why don't you like her? She's extremely anti-UN and globalism, pro-US sovereignty and great on social issues. Thanks to her the horrible equal rights amendment was defeated. She founded the Eagle Forum which is anti-vaccine.

 

[cajuncocoa]

They did, but I do not agree with the statement that "we're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves". I know many people with whom I am friends with who did not support Ron because of his "black & white" type of speaking. These are intelligent people who were successful in their careers and lives. It is elitist to assume that everyone that didn't "get it" is somehow not thinking for themselves. The left uses similar language and it is disingenuous.

In all honesty how is saying "we're talking about people who don't regularly think for themselves" any different that when Obama referred to people as "clinging to their guns and their Bibles"?

How do you see those two statements as alike? I don't. You can "cling" to guns and the Bible and still be a person who thinks for him/herself. People who only parrot what Beck and Hannity say are clearly allowing those two to do their thinking.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

a bit off-topic, but regarding the fact that even we Paulers tend to overlook the 'law of nations' piece in the US Constitution, did you know that America is Constitutionally authorized to use the military to punish America for violation of the law of nations?

Briefly, the Law of Nations at the point of ratification in 1788 included the following general elements, taken from Blackstone's Commentaries, and prosecution of those who might violate them:

(1) No attacks on foreign nations, their citizens, or shipping, without either a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal.

(5) Care and decent treatment of prisoners of war.

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Therefore, per the US Constitution, it is legal for the United States to use military force against the United States for violating the Law of Nations per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 10.

Weird huh?

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

How do you see those two statements as alike? I don't. You can "cling" to guns and the Bible and still be a person who thinks for him/herself. People who only parrot what Beck and Hannity say are clearly allowing those two to do their thinking.

They both reek of elitism. You have expressed that mindset often on here and I disagree with it. There are plenty of intelligent people out there that are conservative, constitutionalist, and libertarian in their views that did not fawn all over Ron Paul. Assuming that people who did not are not thinking for themselves is elitism.